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From:
Tony Lika
To:
StaticBeats
Cc:
Intolerable Daily Madness
Date:
Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:38:34 -0400
Subject:
Re: [idm] about music and money
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This is the stuff flame wars, or at least some long relatively fruitless discussions, are made of, but I would like to point to this article on firstmonday.org discussing artists' earnings, copyright, and distribution (among other things): http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue10_1/kretschmer/ Very well written, not to mention peer-reviewed, and worth a read, IMHO. And I agree with you Shimone. t.
quoted 114 lines My personal opinion however is that sharing music> My personal opinion however is that sharing music > means more exposure and more exposure means more > interest and that's really all an independent artist > is wishing for init? > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com > http://www.jungle-life.com > http://www.boomboombap.com > > --- "avianwayfilms@juno.com" <avianwayfilms@juno.com> > wrote: > > > Why you shouldn't worry (ethically)(and why you > > should - because as we know crimes against property > > are the worst according to those who "own" > > everything) > > > > Where does the money from the selling of music go? > > > > The "artist" usually gets fractions of a cent for > > the use of their > > music - radio play, mechanicals (retail purchased), > > use in soundtracks, etc. > > This amounts to very little money in reality, even > > for a popular artist with > > lots of airplay - like Metallica for instance... To > > share their music will take fractions of a penny > > from them over the course of a year. > > > > Of the rest of the money (better than 99 percent > > usually) most goes to the > > record company and some little goes to the owner of > > the publishing rights for > > the artist's music (who is often not the artist - a > > company owned by Michael > > Jackson owns a lot of the publishing rights to many > > Beatle's songs - the owners of the rights to much > > music are usually, surprise! subsidiaries and > > holding companies of - the record companies!) > > > > Most artists will only make money by performing, > > because the returns are often greater than the > > costs. If an artist has their own production company > > and can control the costs and the profits of touring > > themselves, rather than the way it typically is with > > a record company footing the bill and then charging > > the artist for it later), they can make OK money if > > they can play at the right sized venues on their > > tours. > > > > Artists can also make money with merchandise - > > T-shirts and CDs, etc sold at shows - I urge you to > > buy direct from the artist as much as possible, > > especially at shows. > > > > Artists should not sell their publishing rights to > > anyone. > > If they keep their rights, and they reserve the > > rights to other uses in their > > recording (slavery) contracts, they can > > theoretically sell the song in a > > secondary market - like for a film soundtrack or a > > commercial, etc. A musician > > is not usually allowed to do this until they have a > > lot of clout (sales) because > > the record companies are not inclined to let a penny > > slip by unpinched. > > > > Musicians are not hurt much at all by downloading > > mp3s of their music. You are stealing, in a sense, > > yes, but mostly from the money-grubbing > > entertainment conglomerates who reallly really need > > that money more than ever to pay for their growing > > packs of attorneys and to offset their (debatable) > > drop in profits due to their inability to > > consistently offer quality products. > > (unquestionable). Besides, most of us who open > > source share are only stealing in the sense of Robin > > Hood and not in the sense of Enron or Bank of > > America. > > > > Many musicians I know use Limewire or suchlike. They > > have no ethical objections to it. In fact, many of > > us use it to "test drive" the music - a kind > > of shopping. If I come across something I like - > > Oval, Autechre, Mouse On Mars, > > Climax Golden Twins, Sufjan Stevens - I want the > > whole thing, artwork and all, > > at the best quality, so I'll buy it. Hell, sometimes > > I'll buy two! > > > > Anyway, I guess what it really comes down to is a > > dichotomy that splits the > > world - do you come down on the side of some of the > > world's largest corporations and their stupid > > puppets, like Metallica, or do you come down on the > > side of the mass of people who love music so much > > that it is woven into the > > everyday fabric of their lives in a truly > > meaningful, personal way that has > > little to do with the deep wading in the cesspool of > > commerce, and everything to do with the impulses and > > idealisms that create music. Yawn. > > > > Keep your ears open and your chin up. Slippery. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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