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graham miller
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Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:21:11 -0500
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Re: [idm] ...another mechanical piece of noise
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Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:
quoted 5 lines Truth be told, if I wanted something that "develops dramatically in an> Truth be told, if I wanted something that "develops dramatically in an > interesting way" I would listen to Wagner or Beethoven. I'm pretty > fond of repetition as a compositional strategy, and I think that the > refusal of narrative structure is one of the strongest aspects of > electronic dance music in general.
that said, there's narrative structure to something even as overtly repetitive as hawtin's concept 1, and especially of something like his closer to the edit... we are just talking n terms of scale... i mean some pieces unfold over days in both academic experiemtnal music and in cermons of several ancient cultures... certainly with electronic music, especially the DJ aesthetic, a metapiece can unfold over the course of an entire night... i find that many instances, the talent of the DJ is linked more to this idea of narrative than technical skills per se. as far as musical repetition influencing narrative film, look at run lola run...
quoted 6 lines Also, I have trouble imagining the separation between music and> > > Also, I have trouble imagining the separation between music and > technique that you make below. Technique/Expressivity or > Complexity/Simplicity might work better for your purposes, although I'm > still not entirely sold...
explain more. i look at technique as purely athletic. the physical aspect of executing a musical idea without 'error' on an instrument. obviously the concept of 'error' is a loaded one. but then again the word technique could also be used as a synonym for the the word 'method,' in which in this case it applies equally to a more cerebral sets of processes executed on any instrument... i know i rely on a series of techniques to achieve certain sounds... it's not the same knowledge base, it doesn't trigger the same brain areas, as repetitive motion does though, what i would call athletic training on an instrument... only once repetitive motion (i.e. practice) is internalized as second nature (it moves from the conscious to the unconscious, much like my fingers typing this now) is it freed of the more mundane limits of flesh and blood and can it move to toward the more creative parts of the brain... automation, computer automation, merely moves you along the process faster. it accelerates human creativity as well as opening up music to the physically inept:) i mean music notation in classical music is exactly this too... the composer doesn;'t have to become a master in every instrument in the orchestra, they 'automate' the players through a strict symbolic language called 'notation.' this is why adherence and conformity are such massive criteria in the classical scene and interpretation and improvisation are keep to a minimum... the whole thing is rationalized like a well-oil machine, every cog in its place... i anyway, i'm a fucking tangent here and i need a coffee... digressing graham (sounds like a movie of the week)
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