"Chris Henry" <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote:
quoted 6 lines Also keep
>Also keep
>in mind the event nature of a live performance is a great excuse to get a
>bunch of people together that might not dig on your living room as much as
>you do. Oh yeah, and my neighbors hate it when we crank up the double
>18"s - being a bass junkie I definitely appreciate the concept of an area
>without noise constraints, and hate the fact there aren't more of them.
yes, the volume thing is an issue. it's nice to really feel that
bass. but here again, i think volume is relied on too much - in
fact, i find that often shows are too loud and too trebly.
quoted 3 lines I guess I just consider the artist/audience interaction to be potentially a
>I guess I just consider the artist/audience interaction to be potentially a
>more subtle thing than the standard dudes rocking out model we're all so
>used to.
sure, i totally agree. as i think i said in some other way elsewhere
on this list, "dudes rocking out" can be totally boring, both
musically and visually. but getting up on the same stage as the
rockers do and doing perceptibly little is what gets tiresome.
quoted 7 lines It all comes down to the vibe, I suppose - if the artist or crowd
>It all comes down to the vibe, I suppose - if the artist or crowd
>is noticably bored/inattentive/low energy/etc. then no amount of sound,
>atmosphere, or visually stimulating performance is gonna pull it out. On a
>side note, why limit yourself? See a show, drink/smoke, and hang out with
>your friends at the same time! That's my objective, usually. I think
>attempting to separate the artistic and social aspects of cultural events is
>artificial, and counterproductive, to boot.
hey, people are going to do what they're going to do at a show,
whether it's neck with their lovers, sneak some weed, make comments
to each other, or whatever. but it's up to the artist to draw their
attention so that those aspects are only adding to the atmosphere
rather than something people do because there's nothing happening
onstage.
quoted 2 lines Then again, that might just be
>Then again, that might just be
>burning man talking (insert peace sign here)...
i'm thinking of going to that. now THAT qualifies as a completely
other type of interactive live experience.
quoted 3 lines The whole laptop performance issue is a tricky one, don't get me wrong. I
>The whole laptop performance issue is a tricky one, don't get me wrong. I
>can totally sympathise with your friends and their reluctance to go to
>laptop shows.
actually it's not specifically laptop shows, but if they knew that
was what it was going to be i'm not sure if they'd be up for it at
all.
quoted 4 lines IMHO the only things that allow it to work at the moment are:
>IMHO the only things that allow it to work at the moment are:
>a) people into electronic music have gotten sort of used to watching djs
>(more commentary on the event nature and it's focusing aspect I mentioned
>above, people obviously need to focus on something shared),
i guess it might feel like more of an "event" if there were more
other things going on. more merch tables, maybe a panel discussion
in another room, kazoos handed out to all audience members who are
then encouraged to participate...something! or maybe i'm being to
strict or grand in my definition / expectation of the word "event".
quoted 4 lines and b) the
>and b) the
>technological nature of the music and production (i.e. that's actually how
>it's done, and you probably wouldn't want to be the dude in the Snap video
>holding the guitar).
hey, if the guitar had a midi controller on it and was actually
adding to the music i might not mind it.
quoted 3 lines Just imagine how much worse (or better?) it would be
>Just imagine how much worse (or better?) it would be
>if you went to see Michael Jackson and he was rocking Traktor. Totally
>different worlds, production-wise.
see, now that would be such a culture clash i might be interested in that! LOL
quoted 7 lines I guess I'm lucky to be enough of a geek I can fully appreciate what's going
>I guess I'm lucky to be enough of a geek I can fully appreciate what's going
>on, sans theatrics or frenetic movement, and love it as much as seeing some
>kick-ass band like
>Lightning Bolt or Nashville Pussy or No Means No or whatever. The whole
>laptop/idm/electronic thing is just the shit, and we are all sitting in on
>the beginning of one of the most important things to happen to music in
>western culture since electricity.
it's definitely changing things, i agree. of course, if laptop is
the new punk, and anyone can do it, the problem (as i'm sure all here
have heard before) is that anyone does do it. a lt of people don't
have ideas beyond loading up the hot software and plugins and doing
the digital version of "rocking out" in a pretty standard way...and
that lack of ingenuity translates to live performance. i get the
feeling some artists would rather be in their bedroom. which is
fine. why force it to happen?
quoted 4 lines It's gonna evolve, obviously, so for now
>It's gonna evolve, obviously, so for now
>my advice to the malcontents is just hold on a minute, support the scene,
>see what happens, try to meet some people, and do your best to enjoy
>yourself in the meanwhile.
heh heh, so i'm a malcontent now? i guess so. to be content is to
be passive, and live shows should be active, for all concerned. but
i understand about the evolution taking time. however, i would much
rather support the scene by voting with my dollar which shows not to
go to, so maybe artists will think, "hmm, the place was only half
full and as soon as people realized i wasn't interesting they drifted
away from the stage...maybe i should make this better somehow".
quoted 6 lines If that doesn't work, start working on some sort
>If that doesn't work, start working on some sort
>of physically interactive hardware for Abelton Live or something and show us
>how it should be done - technology has gotten us into this condumdrum and
>I'm willing to bet technology is going to get us out. Some guys turn out
>the lights, some guys rap, some guys dance around like loons, surely these
>aren't the limits of computer-based performance innovation...
i'm hoping not!
quoted 6 lines a'ight, rant over. I'm sure I just said a bunch of shit that's been
>a'ight, rant over. I'm sure I just said a bunch of shit that's been
>repeated on this list for ages, sorry if you've heard it before. I just
>hang out with a lot of people that enjoy the shows and it seems the laptop
>lovers are a little underrepresented in these parts at times. Big ups to
>the laptop jockeys! esp.the ones that like to travel, you know we love
>you..
and i salute them for trying to get out there and do something, and
meet the fans. but it doesn't mean they should be complacent in
whatever level of success they've achieved and ignore the performance
innovation that clearly needs to happen. i do apologize for the pun
and tired phraseology, but it's time to literally start thinking out
of the box - the live experience that extends beyond the laptop in
front of them.
d.
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