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Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:59 -0500
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RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
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You have the option to sell your ideas in the marketplace because the law maintains a monopoly for you. I think you're confusing which came first, intellectual property law or the marketplace. Most of us have grown up in cultures that pretty much take for granted the idea that ideas can be owned, but the concept that something like a novel or a song exists immaterially, can be owned, and that the distribution of its physical manifestation can be controlled are relatively new. People created works of art before there were any such legal protections. I'm not necessarily saying we should abolish intellectual property, but it should be clear that the idea of intellectual property is problematic. I believe in contracts. It isn't apparent that these kinds of contracts are so great, and the implications of the monopolistic control of images and ideas are actually rather frightening. I understand how it sucks that some people download terabytes of music and don't give a dime to anyone involved in its production, but calling that stealing still doesn't legitimize the concept of copyright itself (the fact that it is a law doesn't make it legitimate). And no, it's not the same thing as stealing to download music when CDs containing the same music exist. I don't think it's all that relevant how large or small a label or artist is. Laws should apply equally to everyone. I don't blindly accept the laws, though. When you bring up laws against violence and for suffrage, are you saying that the creation of new laws necessarily promotes progress towards something better, and if so, whose idea of "better?" -----Original Message----- From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:41 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics Look the way I see it, if someone spends money to create something and they put it in the marketplace to profit from that creation then anything that doesn't involve the exchange of money for it qualifies as a form of stealing. If they wanted to give it away for free then it should be their choice as to whether they want to do so, not arbitrarily decided by people with access to the ability to do so. I'm not going to get all heavy about it as I see all sorts of negative and positive aspects to file sharing/swapping (mostly positive at this particular juncture of its history), but can we at least admit that when one obtains something for free when that thing exists in the physical realm with a price tag attached then it technically is stealing. And yes copyright laws were made by the people standing to benefit from them, but then murder laws were presumably made by the people who didn't want to be murdered, and that whole allowing woman to vote law was probably made by some woman who wanted to vote.... Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org