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Z Moser
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Date:
Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:14:33 +0000
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Re: [idm] Downloading music
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Im confused as to who this post is directed at. It somewhat seems like it is directed at my last post. It looks as if you made a poor attempt to paraphrase what I was saying in order to make an argument against something I wasn't saying. Then again maybe you are responding to a post I missed or only glanced at. In case it is directed towards me let me briefly address it.
quoted 5 lines 1. LIFE ISN'T FAIR THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY EXPECT TO BE PAID AS A> >1. LIFE ISN'T FAIR THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY EXPECT TO BE PAID AS A >MUSICIAN AFTER ALL IT'S SOMETHING YOU LOVE and a lot of blather supporting >this 'argument' including a telling jab at trust-fund kids, way to be >different!
I never said you can't possibly expect to be paid as a musician. Some do, some don't. It would be nice to make a little income on the side though if you weren't getting paid in the first place. I'm pretty sure I didn't make a jab at trust fund kids, I don't even think about trust fund kids, and if I did I am certain it wasn't to be different. I don't think about being different, or the same for that matter. It's not something that is particularly important to me.
quoted 3 lines Then I obviously should have spent more time playing sports as a child,> >Then I obviously should have spent more time playing sports as a child, >athletes get paid quite well I hear.
Most people that play sports do it for fun. A very small minority get paid for it. Apparently entertaining people with
quoted 6 lines song is from now on some kind of happy love-in deal where I pay for all the>song is from now on some kind of happy love-in deal where I pay for all the >equipment (because I love it) and all the production costs (because I love >it) and my own site-hosting fees (because I LOVE IT) and then beg for >PayPal >donations/advert revenue. Hmm, maybe you can all just go fuck yourselves >and
It isn't necessary that you have a web-site. (You could if you wanted though) Once again the beauty of p2p. You would have to have a paypal, or similar type of account.
quoted 1 line I'll keep it between myself and a few friends.>I'll keep it between myself and a few friends.
Ok, to each his own.
quoted 2 lines 2. SO RUDE! + I didn't understand yr argument (understandable) so let me>2. SO RUDE! + I didn't understand yr argument (understandable) so let me >repost mine
I elaborated for two reason. You said that what i said was vague, and it seem to me as if there were misunderstandings that could be cleared up by fleshing out my meaning a bit. My purpose had nothing to do with not understanding your argument.
quoted 3 lines First of all sarcasm doesn't go over in email as I need to remind myself> >First of all sarcasm doesn't go over in email as I need to remind myself >daily and I'm sorry about that.
Apology accepted. I don't understand the purpose of being so sarcastic though. It seems that all it can do is instigate, hurt, and confuse.
quoted 4 lines I still doubt that P2P has a chance of>I still doubt that P2P has a chance of >becoming a truly diverse arena of music, any more than the average record >store or magazine or radio station, because it still relies on the goodwill >of people to keep it from turning into garbage, and the search functions
All I am doing is making speculations. Only the future can tell what will happen. On the other hand, P2P is already on the verge of becoming what you doubt that it will, goodwill and self-interest combined can push something further than you might think.
quoted 4 lines I've seen are limited e.g. you have to know what you want ahead of time,>I've seen are limited e.g. you have to know what you want ahead of time, >you >don't just go 'discovering' new bands on P2P unless yr chatroom buddies >introduce you.
I discover new music on p2p all the time. Plus it give me the ability to virtually instantly preview any music that I have read about, that have influenced artist I already like, that are contemporaries of artist I like, that are on the same label as artist I like, or even the music my chatroom buddies introduce me to, even though I have spend perhaps 30 minuets in a chatroom in the last 4 months. I find it hard to find constructive conversation in them, they mostly seem to consist of dickswinging flame wars. Then again perhaps I am just in the wrong rooms. The IDM room on SoulSeek isn't that bad. Plus with new P2P technology, and meta-tagging it is possible to search for music based on genre, or even mood.
quoted 4 lines I still prefer radio and magazines for new music, but then>I still prefer radio and magazines for new music, but then >again I live in DC where the radio don't suck as much. Rudeness is the >counter to your overstructured and self-assured 'essay' and is how I get my >arguments across.
I wish I lived in a area with better broadcast available. I don't think I should have to apologize for trying to be well thought out, and trying to make my communications clear. I think this is what you mean by overstructured and self-assured. I could be wrong. I find it somewhat interesting that before you were complaining about the lack of clarity, or vagueness in my original post.
quoted 3 lines I don't post much so when I do you can be sure I'm either>I don't post much so when I do you can be sure I'm either >very angry and frustrated (as when 250 filesharing digerati slap each other >on the back)
I think I can understand your frustration. I just wanted to make the point that not all people who share files have the same motives. I get kind of frustrated when people make assumptions about why I am doing things, and then when I explain my personal true reasons they make another assumption that I am lying or have some other motive for saying what I am. It can get tiresome.
quoted 3 lines 3. Sentences always end with a period!>3. Sentences always end with a period! > >No they don't. Read The Economist
This is where I am not sure if you are responding to me. I never said anything at all about sentences ending with a period. I am actually a big supporter of meaning over grammar. Unless the grammar is so terrible that it make the message almost impossible to read. zach _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org