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From:
Aaron Ximm
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doeznot allow
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Date:
Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: [idm] The truth about shit
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quoted 1 line Whats this incessant need to control the listener?> Whats this incessant need to control the listener?
Notice I said control the *space,* i.e. my house. I decide to make a place people can listen, not a club/bar, since it's first about the music, not the socializing. Everyone who runs a performance space decides conciously or unconciously what kind of space they want. I don't see that this is 'controlling the listener.'
quoted 2 lines Lecturing the people who come to your performance on how to enjoy music?> Lecturing the people who come to your performance on how to enjoy music? > How stuck up!
Lecturing? huh? Who said anything about lecturing? By telling people to be quiet during sets!? I've been at tons of shows where that's a lecture a lot of people could have used, and no apologies about it. I think this thread got started because someone was complaining that they went to enjoy Mum (their own way) and couldn't because other people were in the space who made that difficult/impossible: ie were being rude to the people around them. Ie who came there to get fucked up, not to listen to Mum. In other words, they had to fight the environment to listen. Hoping for (or in my case building) spaces where that kind of rudeness is discouraged hardly seems to be some kind of holier-than-thou gesture. I don't care how people choose to listen, as long as they don't ruin things for other people. People sleep at half my shows during quiet sets! I 'lectured':
quoted 5 lines To this end I try to plant 'cues' to people that they're at a concert, not> >To this end I try to plant 'cues' to people that they're at a concert, not > >at a bar/club... including no beer, making it dark during the > > > >All about creating context and steering consensual expectations. > >This is the advantage I guess of controlling a space!
aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org