quoted 27 lines From: "robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.com>
>From: "robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.com>
>To: benelli3000@hotmail.com
>CC: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: re: give me a fucking break, leave scott alone
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:28:09 -0500
>
>>last time i checked, liberalism hasn't a flying fig to do with what
>> >you're talking about-but capitalism vs. socialism does.
>I'd suggest actually paying attention to what I had been talking about, and
>if you're confused, doing a general web-search for definitions of the terms
>or concepts. As I had said many times before, neoliberalism operates not
>only as an economic system but as a political and cultural system as well.
>Neoliberalism's core values are that consumerism, the market, and class
>inequality are natural and often benevolent, whereas political activity,
>civic values, and antimarket activities tend to be marginalized or
>denounced. Thus, neoliberalism works best when there is formal electoral
>democracy, but when the population is diverted from the information,
>access, and public forums necessary for meaningful participation in
>decision making.
>
>>if you're so vexed by capitalism then go live in china and ride a >bike,
>>eat hay and not own any of the music you make.
>Please. Have you ever studied anything about China or been there?
>Obviously not, judging by the crude comments you made. In terms of its
>economy and politics, it's just as poor a country, in the participatory
>sense, as the US. So I would have no reason to go there on terms of
>ideological values.
horse shit. do you have any clue why taiwan wants not a fucking thing to do
with china? because their government is one step shy of mao. the people are
poor because they are very simply pushed down by the powers that be. duh.
quoted 21 lines and caring? wake up man, do YOU care? what do YOU do to assuage the
>
>>and caring? wake up man, do YOU care? what do YOU do to assuage the
>>bereavment of the world? next time i take a big capitalist style shit
>> >and it hurts, you better be there to prep-H my suffering butthole. or
>> >you shouldn't mind everyone's beezwax, eh?
>Yeah, I care. I'm involved with several activist committees as well as my
>local politics. This is the best I can do to attempt to help people. If
>you don't notice a big difference, it's because people (like you seem to
>be) are unaware or are indifferent to current situations, so they don't
>form mass movements or protest to have change. Somehow, the idea that this
>is "the best of all possible worlds" got ingrained into most people's
>heads. Also, big business and interest groups have lobbies working hard
>for their interests, whereas the citizen doesn't. As far as helping you
>goes, I live and work in a specific part of the country, so I am unable to
>be concerned with your day-to-day problems. However, I would argue that
>many of the reforms I work towards would be beneficial to you and others.
>Since you seem to be complaining that I've never directly "helped" you,
>have you ever heard of helping yourself? Of taking action by yourself and
>not letting others do all the work for you? If you think you see problems
>that need resolving, and can't do it on your own, why don't you join a
>group on your own and actually do something?
i don't need anyone to do a fucking thing for me man. i make music, and
sell some records, and live humbly and happily. i'm glad you're involved
with what you believe in and not completely full of shit.
nobody makes my records for me. if i could find someone that could, i
would, so i could spend more time bonking my Chinese girlfriend (who left
because it eats shit over there). til then though, it's hours and hours in
the studio...
quoted 5 lines who the hell do you think you are to say that scott is naive?
>>who the hell do you think you are to say that scott is naive?
>I have the ability to say that Scott Herren is naive for not knowing what
>industries his music is now supporting. If he does know all the things
>that Foot Locker commercial stands for, and he just doesn't care, then I'd
>say he's a fool.
what does the foot locker commercial stand for? football. you're trying to
read too far into the mind of some dumbass who produced that commercial.
you're giving these morons WAY too much credit man. didn't your parents
tell you about bullshit conspiracy theories?? there are no implications or
anything in such a mundane craft::all it does is try to make shoes look
cool. i don't claim to be any more clever than the next guy, but i do know
my ass from my elbow, and i do know that a commercial that's that simple and
direct isn't going to make me buy the new Tiki Barber RBK's. anyhow, i'd
let those assholes use my tracks because i think sports are fucking rad and
they make me and BILLIONS of other people really happy.
quoted 3 lines have you heard his fucking records?
>>have you heard his fucking records?
>Yes. But I'm unaware of how this would represent either his naivete or
>ignorance as to what was being discussed...
i don't need to answer that. wake up.
quoted 10 lines who's life is scott ending by letting some goon edit his track to shit
>>who's life is scott ending by letting some goon edit his track to shit
>> >and bury it behind some fucking rent-a-homie hyping up sports and
>> >sonsense?
>Well, maybe he allowed Foot Locker, which deals in Nike products, to buy
>more things from Nike, who in turn has their products made from workers in
>countries where there are no environmental or human rights standards.
>Perhaps one of those workers will die from maltreatment or respitory
>problems. I'm not trying to get sympathy here - you asked who's life such
>a commercial could end, and I'm attempting to answer in the most obvious
>and direct way.
far-fetched at best, bro. the commercial is not ending lives. don't go see
the new M Knight Shyamalan film, dude, i don't want to get into E.T.
conspiracy discussions, either.
quoted 3 lines get a grip, man, he's trying to get a fucking leg up, and giving you
>>get a grip, man, he's trying to get a fucking leg up, and giving you
>> >music to ponder the fuck out of and try to figure out how he did it.
>Not through a commercial he isn't.
you're god damn right he is. if he even got a red cent from it, that is
money that he can live on to make another record for you and everyone else
to sweat the fuck out of.
quoted 10 lines in conclusion, if you didn't spend so much time flapping your lips, >and
>
>>in conclusion, if you didn't spend so much time flapping your lips, >and
>>spent more time on your tracks and your musical skills, then you >would be
>>getting paid too.
>Yes...I hate Scott Herren because the music I try to make is so horrible
>and pathetic compared to his. This is exactly the same reasoning I use to
>explain why I'm not fond of Michael Eisner and Rupert Murdoch - because
>they have so much more money than me! Your assumptions here are quite
>wrong - I could honestly care less about money or profit. I'm more
>concerned with the ideological issues behind actions.
wow. you said it, not me. that's really harsh. all of your lawyering and
propagandized rhetoric and psycho-leftist conspiracy theories really just
suit your needs of smearing someone whom you hate because you are so
consumed with envy. I'm a redneck and i curse all the time, but i certainly
can't find it in my heart to hate someone who makes genius shit. that's
really sad, my friend, and it sounds like you really need to come to terms
with reality.
look, i'm with you on some shit, for real-mike eisner can smoke my bird-but
if you want to martyr yourself for some cause-go after eisner the tyrant who
started the stupidest fucking hockey team EVER. but leave humble and
wonderful people like scott alone. just because you are jealous like a
little kid that doesn't have the He-Man with the dentable armor doesn't mean
that he shouldn't be able to make a living doing what he loves. Oh, wait, i
forgot, in your ideal world, he wouldn't be able to.
quoted 4 lines and buy the new Savath+Savalas ep, it's the shit.
>
>>and buy the new Savath+Savalas ep, it's the shit.
>Yeah. Buy, buy, buy, buy. It seems like commercialism and neoliberalism
>have influenced you well.
neo liberalism can eat a dick! buy his fucking 5$ record because 1) you can
afford it, it is so cheap 2) it's fucking brilliant 3) it will help him to
continue to make brilliant music. you can afford an isp, you can buy a 5
dollar ep that will turn your shit upside down.
oh, and HELLO-commercialism is how you live too, Greenspan. last time i
checked you buy shit too. books, records, (oh wait, you probably only DL
mp3's on your cable modem). and OH! you are typing nonsense to me on a
computer. why do you need that if you are so bummed out by commercialism???
is there anything more fabricated and self-perpetually man-made and
bullshit than a computer? practice what you preach, dude, and please don't
preach that shit at me.
quoted 15 lines long live capitalism! that's right, bitches. i mean it.
>
>>long live capitalism! that's right, bitches. i mean it.
>The United States isn't even true capitalism. In true capitalism,
>businesses wouldn't have the ability to buy the government, amongst other
>things. What you're living in right now is some mutant form of that
>economic system. I'd also really advise you to do a good, long study of
>the history of capitalism in the US and its effects on politics and society
>before you honestly proclaim your support of it. Perhaps then you'll see
>the problems with things as they stand now, and agree that anyone who
>supports such institutions is either naive or ignorant.
>
>Thanks for your expletive-filled post. It was quite amusing.
>
>Robert
>
hey Hitler- i suggest you do a fucking cursory GLANCE at the history of
socialism and related schemes in the 20th century. i think you'll find that
an imbalance of money due to lazy assholes is a little better than 6.000.000
charred jews. and don't even let me start on russia. do you know where
that is?
to me, the government making decisions for me is like dying. they make
enough decisions for me already. i am a capitalist. i believe in trying to
do what i'm good at and making money in the process. not alot, just enough.
call me naive AND ignorant- but fuck it, i know how things are. my life
isn't easy-i work 40 hours a week and make records in down time, and tour,
etc. etc. it is fucking difficult. but i wouldn't have it any other way,
because in any other socio-political setup, i won't be able to do that. i'm
glad that i can pick which doctor is going to feel my future daughter's
tits, and that the MAN isn't going to tell me who it's going to be. i'm
also glad that i can have as many kids as i can afford, and i'm not just
limited to one.
where is your personality? i'm worried about you because you ramble in
facts when in reality i know that this is a highly personal issue for you.
it is for me, but it's simple::i'm tired of hearing people talk shit about
my friends. i take that shit personally. especially when the attackers
haven't a fucking foggy clue as to what type of person they are bashing.
alright, that's enough. let's agree to disagree. it would suck if everyone
had my attitude or if everyone had yours, so fuck it all. i won't punch you
when you come to my show. i'll give you free shit. i apologize to everyone
on this list for this complete horseshit. but maybe most of you know what
it's like to get really pissed off by something that you take personally,
whether you like it or not.
peace
_J_
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