yo man, you gotta chill out.. its just music. one piece of culture isn't necessarily "superior" to another, just different. i dunno what radiohead did to you as a child (laughed at you as you ate your pureed dead parents, perhaps), but i suggest you focus your hatred of mainstream music elsewhere. there's a lot worse shit on the radio. use your energy for more constructive means...
ps: id like to know who your "actual innovators" are because i can gaurantee you they bit their shit off of somebody else and took the credit as well. thats what culture is, a cycle of using someones idea, making it mainstream, and then someone else biting off that. its how everything we know has been invented. get used to it.
In a message dated Thu, 25 Jul 2002 9:37:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@tint.org writes:
quoted 76 lines To explain further I think the distinct response some are shocked by, or>
>
> To explain further I think the distinct response some are shocked by, or
> annoyed by, is to the over exaggerated hype of radiohead's significance.
>
> This over-exaggerated state is due in part to the consolidation of major
> label driven music and its effect on our culture/s, as there is little
> innovation or creative exploration within that group due to demands for
> profit above near-all else-- resulting in something like radiohead which
> trivially adds in glitch for an aesthetic come across to many
> conventional types as oh-soooo significant. its not. the hype is not
> warranted is what most of us are trying to say. (and as capoiiee sort of
> admits below).
>
> and part of the tone of resentment, that seems to be disproportionate to
> the status of the group (as capoiiee also sort of admits below), is
> perhaps due to the fact that many of us are sick and tired of the actual
> innovators, actual creators, and actual contributers not getting credit
> for their activity. and perhaps that is why we protest so much about
> such claims or comments lacking in much thought that legitimize the
> 'alternative' and mainstream press and major label claims of grandeur,
> when so many artists outside that system by choice or neglect ought to
> get the props.
>
> so, to add further, the 'hyping of radiohead' is to electronica,
> as al jolson is to jazz
> as elvis is to rock [and you know what chuck d said!]
> as 'british invasion' is to blues
>
> (I say 'hyping of...' above since radiohead isn't even on the level of
> those in my comparisons, but the hyping of them would lead one to think
> so as is the case in these corporate controlled and increasingly
> mono-cultural-media times, or so it seems.)
>
> additionally, to say that radiohead can "play their instruments and
> utilize music theory" is again repeating the same types of specious
> arguments that have supported previous thefts of credit where credit is
> actually due, not to mention using erroneous assumptions of what is and
> is not superior in culture.
>
> imho,
> dan
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CAPOIIEE@aol.com [mailto:CAPOIIEE@aol.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:35 PM
> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: [idm] the topic of discussion
> >
> > > Unless they're [radiohead]
> > > >saying stuff like "if you like this, try this autechre cd!"
> >
> > actually they are, they've mentioned warp in a few interviews
> > if i recall
> >
> > personally ive listened to radiohead for years and ive
> > listend to autechre
> > for the same ammount of time, and i must say that i've been
> > very pleased with
> > recent radiohead output.
> > the idm community has been ragging on radiohead ever since
> > kid a. its as
> > though they were nine inch nails to industrial or eminem to
> > hip hop. which is
> > bullshit, because radiohead has never even been categorized
> > as "idm" anyhow.
> > imo, they have done one of the best jobs combining idmish
> > music with rock,
> > ever. plus they actually know how to play their instruments
> > and utilize music
> > theory, which is more than most of our idm heroes can say.
> > (i think timbaland has come much closer to making idm
> mainstream than
> > radiohead will ever do...)
> >
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