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dan latorre
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Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:54:51 -0400
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RE: [idm] the topic of discussion
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To explain further I think the distinct response some are shocked by, or annoyed by, is to the over exaggerated hype of radiohead's significance. This over-exaggerated state is due in part to the consolidation of major label driven music and its effect on our culture/s, as there is little innovation or creative exploration within that group due to demands for profit above near-all else-- resulting in something like radiohead which trivially adds in glitch for an aesthetic come across to many conventional types as oh-soooo significant. its not. the hype is not warranted is what most of us are trying to say. (and as capoiiee sort of admits below). and part of the tone of resentment, that seems to be disproportionate to the status of the group (as capoiiee also sort of admits below), is perhaps due to the fact that many of us are sick and tired of the actual innovators, actual creators, and actual contributers not getting credit for their activity. and perhaps that is why we protest so much about such claims or comments lacking in much thought that legitimize the 'alternative' and mainstream press and major label claims of grandeur, when so many artists outside that system by choice or neglect ought to get the props. so, to add further, the 'hyping of radiohead' is to electronica, as al jolson is to jazz as elvis is to rock [and you know what chuck d said!] as 'british invasion' is to blues (I say 'hyping of...' above since radiohead isn't even on the level of those in my comparisons, but the hyping of them would lead one to think so as is the case in these corporate controlled and increasingly mono-cultural-media times, or so it seems.) additionally, to say that radiohead can "play their instruments and utilize music theory" is again repeating the same types of specious arguments that have supported previous thefts of credit where credit is actually due, not to mention using erroneous assumptions of what is and is not superior in culture. imho, dan
quoted 31 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: CAPOIIEE@aol.com [mailto:CAPOIIEE@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:35 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the topic of discussion > > > Unless they're [radiohead] > > >saying stuff like "if you like this, try this autechre cd!" > > actually they are, they've mentioned warp in a few interviews > if i recall > > personally ive listened to radiohead for years and ive > listend to autechre > for the same ammount of time, and i must say that i've been > very pleased with > recent radiohead output. > the idm community has been ragging on radiohead ever since > kid a. its as > though they were nine inch nails to industrial or eminem to > hip hop. which is > bullshit, because radiohead has never even been categorized > as "idm" anyhow. > imo, they have done one of the best jobs combining idmish > music with rock, > ever. plus they actually know how to play their instruments > and utilize music > theory, which is more than most of our idm heroes can say. > (i think timbaland has come much closer to making idm mainstream than > radiohead will ever do...) >
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