You're going to have to have another go at stating your point, because
frankly that whole essay is an utter shit-show. Start with that first
sentence.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 110 lines honestly, i dunno why you acknowledging your behaviour should be a reason
> honestly, i dunno why you acknowledging your behaviour should be a reason
> to not question it. that just does not make sense.
>
> i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have the whole picture here and it did
> make me angry that you responded by ridiculing the person that called you
> out on it - and the fact that you present your behaviour as something
> everyone should just accept because you acknowledge it.
>
> the fact that i’m being blatantly blunt is just an extension of my
> frustration on your acknowledged ‘effect’, and how it seems to be the same
> with every person that sticks with private torrent sites even when there’s
> no actual fan based need for most of them to exist these days. we, the
> artists, NEED those pennies as the democratisation of music has driven
> everyone’s overall sales down. If you actually look at the numbers instead
> of blindly quoting them, you’ll see that the tail we’re all in here is
> much, much… MUCH longer than ever.
>
>
>
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:37, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Then let me be very clear what I am saying: I am not justifying my
> torrenting, but merely stating the effect of my torrenting. That's
> essentially a rehash of my first reply to this damn thread.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i’m not claiming any moral high ground. i’m saying that argument is
>> illogical, ie. fucking moronic. that’s what i’ve been saying all the time,
>> and why i’m disgusted that you feel like you can make decisions on artists’
>> sources of income.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:32, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No that's all fine and good Juho. You can't claim the moral high ground
>> as an individual however, which you very blatantly have been doing for the
>> past several replies.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> yeah uh I dunno why it’s an issue that I’ve used a torrent site in the
>>> past when the point I was pretty clearly making is that if someone thinks
>>> torrenting is superior than giving an artist a few pennies, that someone is
>>> a fucking idiot. i have never ever said that. i probably know more than
>>> connor or jon how today all the fucking pennies matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 00:28, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hasn't everyone had this conversation before? Everyone pirates music.
>>> That doesn't make it any less cool and disrespectful towards the artists we
>>> pirate. Perhaps the music industry will evolve to a point where this isn't
>>> such an issue in the future.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/22/2014 10:18 AM, Juho Hietala wrote:
>>> >> yep, this was years ago before there was spotify or other viable
>>> means to listen to stuff. i’m not denying it. but did you also notice i’ve
>>> uploaded several of my own albums to these sites?
>>> >>
>>> >> when you’re done lolling you can still consider the point i made to
>>> you a few emails ago.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:15, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> LOLLLLL *breathes deeply* LOL
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Remember how I was saying in my first post, the people yelling the
>>> loudest about how awful piracy is and how it should NEVER be done are
>>> usually the ones doing it to their own benefit? And how Juho called more
>>> than a few people "disgusting" for admitting to downloading a couple albums?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well, here's a screenshot of some of the copyrighted albums Juho has
>>> torrented. I count around 115 total, and that's before he got banned. Nice
>>> job! - http://i.imgur.com/rYQAqaf.png
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, Juho, anything else you'd like to be hilariously hypocritical
>>> about? Or is this one of those things that's only OK when you do it, but
>>> awful when we do?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 10/21/2014 7:08 PM, Juho Hietala wrote:
>>> >>>> well, to be honest, i think the joke’s on you here..
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Jon Sands
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sham Beam
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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