you didnt say it, i was just being a dick
people shouldn't pirate music, but they do, and there's really nothing we
can do about it, even people who are actually cool people pirate music, and
i am willing to bet that the people who pirate the most music also buy the
most music because they are the hungriest, and most obsessed of all
that said, i'm not going to try to defend piracy as a good thing that sells
more music because you pretty much summed it up, there really is just no
excuse -- you dont NEED to pirate everything by an artist, you just have
OCD and that's OK too, in it's way :)
the only things i have ever NEEDED to pirate were out-of-print OLD, obscure
techno that literally cant be bought even in mp3 format anymore (yes, it
really does exist, in fact lots of shit is 'lost' like this)
so i just reacted really to your anger to remind you like, some of these
pirates are your fans and (i think) a lot of them buy a lot of music so,
what they are doing is bad, mmm kay, but they aren't (necessarily) bad
people.
Clint Anderson
Systems Engineer
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 115 lines Show me where I said that "pirating music is immoral and if he fails to> Show me where I said that "pirating music is immoral and if he fails to
> accept this, no matter how much music he buys (probably way more than your
> average music consumer) you hate him and think he's a bad person"
>
> I basically think he presents a shitty argument for justifying piracy.
> Which is why I spent a few paragraphs trying to illustrate that. You're
> better at writing than I am, because you were able to deconstruct my entire
> argument in two lines.
>
> I break laws all the time. If I'm riding my bike and I'm coming up on a
> stop sign, and there are no other cars or pedestrians around me, I'll go
> through that stop sign. I'm comfortable with that. But if/when I try to
> explain that to someone who has only ever driven a car, they're going to
> say I'm wrong 100% of the time and that there's no excuse whatsoever for me
> to break the law. And I'm okay with that, too. Basically, I don't have
> conversations like that with drivers because regardless of how much logical
> sense it makes for me to skip that stop sign, they are correct: by skipping
> it, I've broken the law.
>
> If piracy works for you, that's great. But don't expect to convince
> everyone else that it's okay.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You guys are missing the point that he buys music
>> Your argument is basically that to you pirating music is immoral and if
>> he fails to accept this, no matter how much music he buys (probably way
>> more than your average music consumer) you hate him and think he's a bad
>> person
>> On Oct 20, 2014 5:29 PM, "Alan Lucas" <alucas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously, Connor? Is our potential fan that much of a moron? Where does
>>> our potential fan buy his/her music? Bleep? You can listen to the entire
>>> album there. Bandcamp? You can listen to entire albums there, AND they
>>> don't even autopause you after a minute. Pretty much any other website on
>>> the internet that sells music? You can listen to clips of every track on
>>> the album there.
>>>
>>> Let me see if I have this straight:
>>>
>>> * Our potential fan is interested in Artist X.
>>> * Artist X does not have any samples of their work anywhere on the
>>> internet.
>>> * Artist X's works are only sold in a brick and mortar store that's on
>>> the other side of the world from our potential fan.
>>> * Our potential fan has no choice but to steal Artist X's work because
>>> somehow it got leaked to an illegal piracy site but exists NOWHERE ELSE ON
>>> THE INTERNET where our potential fan might be able to hear it.
>>>
>>> A few other things we need to understand about our potential fan:
>>>
>>> * Our potential fan can't make informed decisions about a potential
>>> purchase without having an artist's entire discography on his hard drive.
>>> * Our potential fan reads reviews of albums but still has to have an
>>> artist's entire discography on his hard drive before making decisions
>>> regarding purchase.
>>>
>>> It almost sounds like you're trying to tell me that before YouTube,
>>> Spotify, and tracker sites, no one actually bought any albums because you
>>> couldn't necessarily have an entire artist's catalog on your hard drive (oh
>>> wait, those used to not exist, either!). I know this is not the case,
>>> because I bought plenty of music before the birth of the internet and
>>> before I had a computer. There were times when I would go into a record
>>> store, hear something playing on the overhead, and buy the entire album by
>>> that artist just because I was so excited about the track I had just heard.
>>> CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE?!?!?
>>>
>>> I stil buy lots of music. Lots of it without having heard it at all.
>>> Something new by Mika Vainio? Hell yes, I'm going to buy that. The new
>>> Aphex? I felt bad about listening to minipops before it was release because
>>> I DIDN'T want to hear it before it came out.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I think what you're really trying to say, or convince people of,
>>> is that it's okay to steal. Some people are going to agree with you. Other
>>> people aren't. A lot of people have grown up with the notion that stealing
>>> is a crime, and a lot of people don't like having things stolen from them.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Connor Higgins <
>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like
>>>>> Jared come in and smash the metaphorical house of cards we've already
>>>>> established. Yes, Jared: Piracy is a criminal act. What I'm asking is if
>>>>> piracy is currently aiding the promotion of new and upcoming artists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone above argued that youtube and spotify should be used instead
>>>>> of trackers, but I think everyone is aware of the limited scope that these
>>>>> services can provide. For one, they can barely attest to being better than
>>>>> pirating, as artists tend to receive little to no compensation per view.
>>>>> Furthermore, these services tend to omit certain groups, or only feature a
>>>>> specific subset of an artist's work. Consider someone that's just stumbled
>>>>> upon Autechre, but youtube or spotify only features Quaristice (Just a
>>>>> hypothetical). Most fans would agree there are better starting points in
>>>>> their discography, and having only found this one currently inaccessible
>>>>> album, our potential fan has written the duo off for good.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, if our potential fan uses a private tracker of
>>>>> sorts, he or she will find the duo's entire discography at their
>>>>> fingertips. Having read the reviews posted of albums, he or she can make an
>>>>> informed first-listening decision, which can potentially galvanize a
>>>>> long-term fandom, and therefore a monetary investment, be it through
>>>>> concert tickets or actually paying for the albums. The point is, a great
>>>>> deal of this process stops because of how incomprehensive youtube and
>>>>> spotify are as sources for musical exploration. And for the measly benefit
>>>>> of earning the artist fractions of a penny.
>>>>>
>>>>> /rant
>>>>>
>>>>>
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