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From:
excm. prin. fuminaro konoye
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s r
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Date:
Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:47:53 -0600
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Re: [idm] Amon Tobin, Knitting Factory, stupid smokers/drinkers
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hey, s r--- don't knock the man around... it would be interesting to see which country or countries you have some knowledge of... while of course i can agree that the self-destructive habits of oneself or others are never the nicest thing to have to look at, it doesn't help to have the perspective that only a deluded morality can give (this is not a personal attack -- i just think it is a problem we all have to deal with). have you thought overmuch about the reasons people do this or the things they seek when they go to parties, celebrate, drink, etc.? someone who is drunken is not just a waste to be looked down one's nose at, if they are worth anything they should still be interesting... what are you like when you are not entirely in your wits, even if this is not caused by alcohol, etc.? there is the historical perspective of celebration... the dyonisian aspect... although of course there is always the possibilty of one way or another not wanting to or not being able to become part of that celebration... which is ok of course... etc. ... then there is also the case for or the discussion of lucidity... no one is usually lucid all the time... how good was your post on someone else's light review of the tobin gig? i enjoyed his or her comments on the gig, even if they didn't think it was so hot... so if you aren't adding anything great to the discussion, maybe you should rethink what you are about to post : ) i.e., i didn't enjoy your post as much as the one it answers. amon tobin is not known for the quality of his live gigs apparently, so i guess people should only go if they really like his work. i think you have no real basis for deriding him, outside of your personal music taste, which i can respect, fair enough. i read your disclaimer about not taking the smoker/drinker comments seriously... the smoker's camp or whatever could be a funny idea, but the rest is morally pale... so despite the disclaimer i take issue with the morality it implies... it's terrible that such habits are so unhealthy, but enjoyment and intelligence, not to mention discussion and experience, are reasons enough to love night life of whatever means by which people arrive at their habits, which at least in my own case am somewhat attached to, although not in an unhealthy manner. the morality we are often raised with often affects our ways of life profoundly, maybe more negatively sometimes than drinking or smoking... morality should just help us enjoy ourselves more and be more perceptive, not make us be unhappy or be narrow-minded (again, this is not directed at anyone personally). as far as tobin, i would recommend giving him another shot and trying to listen to some older materials... if you like anything on ninja tune at all, some of coldcut's atomic moog materials are absolutely lovely to listen to and might constitute a good point of reference for tobin... it would be a shame for anyone to miss out on what could be a good time listening to him. if not, well, i can only say i gave a try at getting someone else to listen to music i value highly. besides, how can good music come only from some places? terrible music can come from everywhere. and if the good stuff was truly an isolated thing, what kind of dialogue would ever occur thanks to music? i hear plenty of good music where i live, thanks very much : ) some amon tobin tracks, off the top of my head, that i find at least likeable: four ton mantis slowly mission creatures the method tabakula beach resort nightlife nova reanimator the new york editor also the video for four ton mantis, as well as the one for slowly, can be seen at the ninja tune site... the four ton mantis is especially of interest... it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts on the video... i feel his music actually says a lot about the third world, and this maybe even extends to the theme of the relationship between the third world and the first (although i think the terms themselves are laughable, i use them for practical reasons). the play between feelings of strangeness or being foreign in an unknown landscape, and the contemplation of the landscape as something beautiful, personal or belonging to oneself, makes me think of the recent historical idea of latin american countries (although it could just as easily be asia) as places that have a rich past that has been made barren, as "modernity" arrives on the scene, and all that a spectator will be left with is the impression of a maze or confused, beautiful patterns... your mileage of course may vary greetings from the third world..................................................................... ............................... On Sunday, February 3, 2002, at 07:00 , s r wrote:
quoted 83 lines Whoever wrote about his impressions from Tobin> Whoever wrote about his impressions from Tobin > show- i agree 100% eventhough i wasnt there this > time. > > Ok, take the rest not seriuos, but still it makes > sence > ========================================= > Smokers(tobaco of course) > must be put to concentration camps and given all > they can smoke and drink buffet. Will kill them > fast. > > Knitting factory > is totally stinking outdated idiotic place of > worship where idiots can put some > other idiots on the stage and worship them, while > another idiots make smoke go out of their filthy > mouth > > Booze- same as above, with 2 differences- > doesnt stink upon others > but makes a drinker a totally wasted crap of a > human being > > Tobin- > good artist, producer, not my favourite, his > stuff > doesnt really have a what may be called a > heavenly spark. Just some good collage, boring > though. > I think at this point of time good music can not > come from the third world country. > Good music, most of it comes from nothern > cultures- > german, brits, canadians, us, some french, > belgium, you know what i mean > third world more and more is left behind.. > Look at those thousands of hip-hop and punk bands > recently emerged from all those places, trying to > mix ethnic with whatever- > it is so outdated and pathetic. > Basically Tobin comes from the same line, but > being involved in the most sophisticated genre- > electronic music, he can produce stuff above the > usual 3rd world crappy level. > > ABout electronic music on the stage- > > Knit Factory is a worst possible venue for music. > Like i sad it is good for worshiping some idiotic > punk rocker jumping with the broken guitar > > The very idea of electronica of any kind is - > it is about sound not the performance, dance > oriented, no one to worship and no one to lick > ass > > As far as looking on something - video visuals > are the way to go. And they are nice. > > Thats why i say that knit. factory is outdated > > I go to the clubs to dance and hang out with > friends, may be to pick up occasional sexy female > for the purpose of sexual gratification or > romance > > I dont give a shit about clowns jumping up there > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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