dropping into this a bit late... not having read all the opinions but most,
so I hope I dont repeat any... but..
hahaha, I just pictured a bunch of college students and a professor sitting
there and listening to "I wanna fuck you like an animal. I wanna feel you
from the inside. You get me closer to go-od." 200 years from now. Can you
picture that? Analyzing the composition, taking notes ferociously.
Who knows... it might happen. Henry Miller is a big icon and all he talks
about is his big cock.
I always felt really embarassed for NIN though... I dont know why, Trent is
just such a little princess squirming around shirtless and trying to be all
shocking... Maybe its the lack of integrity in his fame and his
ego-centricism. I am sorry if I am upsetting anyone, but I really really
hope that they are forgotten. I know people get really emotionally attached
to Nine Inch Nails, so I do truly apologize. I would kill anyone who disses
Pink Floyd. Grrr.
Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Brian Eno... i dont know, Coil.
But that shit... is just bad... since I am not from the US I have a hard
time feeling any nostalgia towards NIN, just deep embarassment...
quoted 123 lines From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>
>From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?)
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Since some people recently are debating the "timeless"
>nature of Nine Inch Nais and related industrial bands
>(most of which I freely admit I don't and haven't ever
>listened to), I've been thinking about it as well.
>
>I find that I seem to have a much stricter meaning for
>the word "timeless" than most people. I take it
>almost literally.
>
>You see, while an angst-ridden teenager, I found some
>meaning and importance in The Downward Spiral, and
>even now I admit that some of the lyrics have a
>certain poetic quality to them, and much of the music
>is still well-done and enjoyable. Much of what I
>listened to as a teenager is even "timeless" in a very
>general sense, as applies to my life - a lot of it is
>so much a part of me, even though it's not my favorite
>music anymore, that if I do listen to it again, I
>still enjoy it a lot or get something out of it.
>
>However, it's not really, really "timeless". It
>continues to have some meaning to me, but to me,
>"timeless" is Shakespeare's Macbeth; "timeless" is
>Beethoven's 5th; "timeless" is anything that touches
>so close to the human spirit or the human condition
>(whatever those are) that they continue to have
>meaning and affect us, even hundereds of years later.
>
>I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN
>or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of
>much a few hundred years from now. However, I'm
>fairly confident that many of Shakespeare's plays, or
>the old Greek plays, or tons of classical music, will
>be.
>
>Is anything "timeless" still being made? Sure it is.
>Heck, maybe a few odd pop tunes here and there will
>make it, and maybe NIN's TDS will be one of the
>longer-lasting pieces - I don't know for sure. I
>think some of the music by The Police is more timeless
>than TDS, though. Just because an industrial band
>takes some themes from the bible and existentialist
>thought, waters them down 100-fold, embeds it in talk
>of "machines" and such (how 20th-century!), doesn't
>make it a great work of art, and certainly doesn't
>render it timeless.
>
>Will any IDM be timeless? I'm willing to bet that
>some of it might actually gain some wider hearing
>eventually (probably the mid-career work by Autechre)
>and last a while.
>
>Part of the problem is that true "timelessness" is a
>largely cultural phenomenon, relying on the majority
>of the people in a culture appreciating and enjoying a
>work, and in that way, the culture internalizing the
>work such that you can't hardly grow up without being
>exposed to the work in some aspect.
>
>So, to a certain extent, I don't see many "timeless"
>things coming out of the modern age at all, simply
>because there are so many people and so many works
>that even the truly potentially timeless works are not
>absorbed or noticed by everyone. Culture is less
>fluid; it has become a gas, moving around extremely
>fast and randomly. A chaotic system in which artistic
>works flounder and find niches in which they grow, but
>it takes a gargantuan Hollywood effort to really reach
>the great mass of people that is today's global
>culture.
>
>Imagine, if humankind does reach out into the great
>beyond and colonize other worlds, someday there will
>be multiple cultures on different planets, all
>developing on their own, with different new "timeless"
>art that separate worlds will not share. Will they
>all still remember Shakespeare and Mozart? Probably
>some relics from the past will always remain.
>However, how many of us remember much of the
>"timeless" art that must have been created in
>Babylonian times? We have almost no record of any
>Egyptian art - for example, there must have been some
>form of theater (acting is something humans do without
>thinking - it isn't much of a leap to act out a
>story). Why is the earliest theater Greek? The
>earliest music lost? Because eventually it is all
>lost.
>
>So, will NIN be around in 50 years? Probably it'll be
>around as long as Trent's fans are alive, but given
>how culturally-bound the music is (industrial is
>easily "dated"!), I doubt if the kids 50 years from
>now will find it as appealing as you did when you were
>15. If anything, music kills itself nowadays because
>most of it is marketed towards kids, and kids are so
>flighty and picky - they don't *want* old music, for
>the most part - they want something new that makes
>them unique; they want music that's different from
>everything else. They want to feel special. A
>ready-made market for the music industry to always
>churn out something new that's just different enough
>for the new batch of teens to think "this is *my*
>music - no one else likes this!"
>
>Sorry, I've been reading too much Vonnegut lately.
>
>-Ada~`
>
>
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