In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes:
<< Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are
timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't
find them timeless at all. >>
Well, that's an opinion... But the fact of the matter is that many more
people know who NIN is, compared to probably all 3 of those bands put
together... I'd say more people are going to rememer NIN. The downward
spiral is timeless. On a songwriting level, and a metaphorical level.. I
have a little analyzation of the first couple of tracks of that album by a
former engineer for nothing studios, and the moderator of the Tumorlist.
Amazing stuff.
<<What new contribution did they give to the
industrial genre? >>
Is that the new definition of "timeless"? Who cares what contribution they
gave to the industrial genre, NIN goes so much further than that. The great
thing about NIN is what he's tried to do for mainstream music.. NIN is like
a gateway drug. Open you up to all sorts of new things, but a lot of people
just keep going back to it.
<<Compared to what was being done in the late 80's, none.>>
For instance...?
<<I think that since the album "Last Rights" by Skinny Puppy in 92,
nothing really new happened.>>
Once again this is personal opinion... I do think Gridlock has been quite
new and exciting.
But once again.. You're comparing apples and oranges, for the longest time
Trent has rejected the industrial label. He doesn't want to be part of that
"genre". He knows its dead. And NIN has always been completely different
than SP, Neubauten, or Ministry.
NIN deals with different issues, and is on a much more personal, and
emotional level than any of the 3 bands you mentioned. This, for some
people, is a turn off. They want their music to be all high minded... About
politics... etc.
Personally, I still love to listen to a very personal song, and identify with
it.
It's why I'm not into old school punk all that much... It's all about the
government. That interests me (musically) little to none. I want the music
i listen to, to have some sort of personal edge to it, and that's what thing
that NIN can offer that none of the 3 bands listed above can.
<<This one also makes NIN look like a very sweet pop
band...>>
It is a pop band.. After the "Broken" album came out, he decided that he was
going to stop making the "hardest" album ever, and focus on something else...
-j
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