quoted 9 lines <<these people sound like Rush fucking Limbaugh, trashing the NorthEastern><<these people sound like Rush fucking Limbaugh, trashing the NorthEastern
>intellectual elites.>>
>
>There was a great ad for Rush F. Limbaugh on the side of a bus here
>recently which had a picture of him with an inscription to the effect of
>"Rush Moved to the Left!" and then a picture of a radio dial showing the
>new, lower AM frequency that he changed to. Pretty damned keen. But
>seriously, I think elite-bashing, however superficial (and ironic, in my
>case), is like masturbation: it's a healthy habit.
But, of course, doing it too much can lead to an unhealthy addiction (and
hairy palms)
quoted 10 lines <<any of its fans are particularly bothered by your uninterest. So you><<any of its fans are particularly bothered by your uninterest. So you
>really don't need to slam them with the charge of "elitism.">>
>
>I'm not particularly bothered by their interest, either, but I apologize
>for letting a buzz-word like that slip out. Scratch the adjective "elite"
>in my last post and replace it with "special." But please-- I wasn't
>denigrating people who like musique concrete. I just question how many of
>them are sincere. Modern composers make great name-dropping fodder,
>and--I can only speak for myself--I've certainly used them for that end in
>my day, and I regret it.
yeah. buncha phoneys.
There's a person I met a couple months ago who's entire conversation
essentially consists of namedropping people. She's hardly unique - I'm
sure most everyone on this list has met someone similar. Essentially, a
conversation will start with "oh hey, have you heard of [insert x obscure
yet famous musician or artist or author]?", or said person will respond
eventually with "yeah, that's like [insert x obscure yet famous musician or
artist or author]." It doesn't add an opinion to the conversation, it
simply shows off that you know a person that other people might
know. Examples in this person's repertoire are "tom waits, laurie
anderson, kafka" and some old australian rocker who's name is nick something.
Here, i'm going to be a phoney (but to prove a point, not to simply say
"ooh i know stuff" (hopefully)) - The thing about Cage is that it really
doesn't matter whether you listen to his music - it's on recorded format
mainly because it can be, at least in my opinion. To me, they're more like
examples of what he's writing about. If he was "performing" them, they'd
all sound totally different each time, which is an element that just isn't
present in a recorded format.
I would have to agree with the argument that much of the "popular" abstract
electronic music stuff isn't really listenable stuff. I think it's more
important to understand what the artists were trying to do rather than what
they have recorded.
So I'm going full circle to the beginning of this thread, saying that "the
music isn't an influence on modern electronic music - the ideas from those
composers are"
cheers,
/derek
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