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From:
Christopher Sorg
To:
EggyToast
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Date:
Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:22:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:
Re: [idm] the stockhausen effect
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 5 lines Most of the connections exist via association, not via influence.> Most of the connections exist via association, not via influence. > > The majority of "complex electronic music" that is discussed on this list > has little-to-no influence derived from anything in the classical world, > barring, perhaps, a scale or the circle fifths or something.
If I understand you correctly, I nearly completely disagree with you. Perhaps, and I emphasize, *perhaps* no composers mentioned on this list have listened to any serialist or minimalist composers (the recent Steve Reich remix album already disputes your claim) and have stealthfully avoided Schoenberg, Schaeffer, Cage, Stockhausen, Xenakis and Boulez (just the big ones). I'd already have to stretch pretty far to believe that such an umbrella has been ducked under, but okay, I'll try it. However, there is no doubt in my mind that their contributions to the study of sound and the body of knowledge they created put us squarely where we are today. The statistical analysis of sound leads to the idea of sampling, modular synthesis (from IRCAM and elsewhere), stochastic composition, I can't think of one area that the academic forefathers didn't touch. The only difference and distance between "us" and them is that the tools are now readily available and widespread, and every other home has a machine powerful enough to harness those tools. The tools came pretty directly from the academic camps, though. Try to name one that didn't. The only one I can think of was FM synthesis (a commercial venture and patent, I believe). Or try asking yourself, what kind of music would Autechre be playing right now without Max/MSP (via IRCAM) and the Nord Modular? It's actually quite amazing that we have such the variety we have in the IDM "genre", considering how the tools are nearly exactly the same. Kind of like painting, I guess. Well, I'm not exactly sure what tangent I've gotten on to at this point...there isn't anything wrong with recognizing influence, as long as you can move past it. Perhaps saying "it isn't them" helps certain people move along and create without anxiety. Then again, how important is the creator(s) of the guitar, or the piano or computer to the creation of the music? Sure you can make a solid arguement for the aformentioned for their contributions to the technology of music as well as their compositions, but we usually don't praise that nearly as much. How important are the tools? Would we even have IDM without them? _________________________ Christopher Sorg Multimedia Artist/Teacher http://csorg.cjb.net csorg@enteract.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org