Has anyone stopped to think that what we are seeing now in the music scene,
and in particular, with Ae's chaos, is the same movement that art had in the
early 20th century?
What is art? is a toilet seat on a pedestal art? or is it just a toilet
seat?
I forget the name of the movement, but they did things like putting their
shoe on display, a white canvas, or writing random words on a wall in free
thought- totaly disconnected an surreal. What is art? Is it art because you
say it is, or because it is pretty?
Personaly, experiementalism is ok. But it is just that, experimentation. The
first phase in your development towards your art. It's the testing of
boundaries, or the "rules' of music / art. The formula that one must follow
to be accepted.
In many ways you can see it as an infintile phase. Your first steps towards
understanding something for what it really is by stripping it down form what
we think it should be. People are really stressing out with the latest
autechre stuff. Do I think it is music? Probably not. Listenable? No, not
really. I'm certainly not going to buy it. Do I hate what they are doing?
Well, ofcourse I'd love something more structured, but that's ok. Autechre
are in this phase right now of experimentation. The sooner it is over, the
better... but, it may never be over. They may fade away only to be
remembered as the random duo. And that is their choice.
It all come's down to doing what you want to do. If this is what they want,
fine. but don't stress about it. Don't try and read quality into something
random. It's like trying to smell shit for an hour long while saying to
yourself "ok, think this is a rose, common brain, stop thinking it's shit,
go on, smell roses!"- you either get it [what Ae are trying to do], or you
don't. Instead of smelling shit for roses, you need to look at it and think
"this is shit. It's random, chaotic, bizar, unstructured. life is trippy,
what are my concepts of music? what is the human limit to pleasurable sound?
does something have to have emotion to be real?" it's phylosophical in a
way. Don't know, but to me it's like a bunch of trippy / pot smoking stuff.
So yeah. it's a learning experience. Now you know what music isn't. Or at
least, what the limits of the machine are. Do we wan't this future of
machines making music? Do we want to be a machine? Or do we want to make
music. find out what music is to you, and you wont have to wonder where the
roses are...
=)
p.s. I don't think it is a bas thing for everyone to be talking about one
artist or song- it's all about discussions, right? and we all know Ae, so it
makes a conversation easy...
=)))
s
~-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
~Van: Peter Schrock [mailto:pachinko74@mac.com]
~Verzonden: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:08 AM
~Aan: anyone and everyone and
~Onderwerp: Re: [idm] From another list I'm on...
~
~
~I think it is funny that in other genre's of music people
~don't feel cheated
~when they hear new music from artist like Korn, limp biscuit,
~slipknot, and
~more older and reputable artist like dave matthews, helmet,
~sunny day real
~estate, tool, etc, based on how they write their songs. I
~mean, when is
~the last time you heard someone say, "yeah, I heard the new
~tool album and
~it sucks, I can do all that stuff they do."
~I don't know about you guys, but i am not interested in
~equipment used or
~how this sound is being created (at least, not when I rate
~albums), I am
~interested in how it actually sounds and how those sounds
~effect me or how
~they make me feel while listening to it. When I saw
~autechre, yeah, it got
~kind of repetitious, but it was simply amazing how beautiful
~that repetition
~played as a role in their music. Throbbing beats popunding
~my chest with
~such anxiety, yet under such immense control, that was beautiful.
~
~on 5/21/01 1:32 AM, Gilly at galaxey@sdccu.net wrote:
~
~> anonymous wrote:
~>
~> There is nothing wrong with making music for yourself.
~That's missing the
~> point.
~>
~> There is something wrong with charging me $15 + $7 in
~ticketbastard fees to
~> go watch two guys do a bunch of shit i sit here and do with
~my nord modular
~> anyway.
~>
~> Let me elaborate on this.
~>
~> This recent autechre tour has become the joke of the
~nord-modular list. For
~> those who don't know, the Nord Modular is one of many
~synthesizers available
~> on the market today. It also happens to be ae's primary
~synth, if not the
~> only thing they use on some of their tracks.
~>
~> One of the many capabilities of the modular, depending on the user's
~> experience and skill, is that one can actually write chaotic evolving
~> patches. Most of us know how to do it by now, and we all
~know Autechre
~> does.
~>
~> So this entire week the list has been filled with "autechre
~concert" patches
~> from people like me pissed that they paid money to go hear a
~demo of a
~> synthesizer...
~>
~> ...and some of them are *dead on*. perfect.
~>
~> which basically shows that autechre is pulling a big "fuck
~you" to their
~> fans. any of us who know how to use the nord can do this
~crap. it takes a
~> bit of practice learning the ramp controls and logic
~functions, but once
~> you've got it down you can be Instant-Autechre.
~>
~> This, to me, is not music. It's a patch on a synth. I can
~sit here at home
~> and listen to my own versions of it instead of paying $22 to
~stand in a
~> dark, hot crowded room and listen to Sean Booth act like
~he's actually doing
~> something innovative.
~>
~> This is "wankery" to me. It's boring. Those of you listening to it
~> thinking "man, that's crazy...they're switching from 3/4 to 9/15 and
~> back"...well, no, they aren't. it's a bunch of algorithms
~on a synth doing
~> it, and it wouldn't matter if there was someone in front of
~the synth or
~> not.
~>
~> So obviously, I wanted to know why Roxi liked it (do try to
~read all the
~> posts before replying next time ;), not "why she lacks the
~capability of
~> knowing any better" or however that was twisted. I think a
~lot of people
~> like this crap because it's Autechre, and Autechre is cool,
~so they're
~> supposed to like it. That's just lame. There are hundreds
~of bands out
~> there doing this kind of stuff, only better. Richie Devine
~writes his own
~> dsp code for his tracks, for chrissakes...Phoenecia melded
~miami booty bass
~> with idm...even some of Jake Mandell's stuff has a weird
~jazzy feel on top
~> of the clicks and pops...and, of course, even though RDJ
~made up all that
~> junk about making his own custom synths and software, he
~still did some
~> amazing stuff with supercollider and has always been a
~positive innovator in
~> the electronic music scene.
~>
~> I just wonder if all the same people would be listening to a
~cd of this
~> music if it was some unknown band. I doubt it, but who
~knows. This isn't
~> an attack, so please don't read it that way.
~> "Anything that separates us is junk. Cause when it rains,
~both the pope and
~> the prostitute get wet"
~> -Carlos Santana on racism
~> :::...\|/unity in diversity\|/..:::
~
~
~Peter "Pachinko" Ý
~-
http://www.mp3.com/pachinko -
~
~
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