quoted 15 lines --- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
> --- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
> > i prefer "expression." "art" brings it to an elitist level, imo, and i
> > think it has paved the way for people like britney spears, spice girls,
> > etc.
> > (goes back farther than that, but they are a direct link) to take
> > advantage
> > of the formula of "art" for money's sake. it's deeper than all this but
> > i
> > don't know if i'd want to litter the list with all that.
>
> Oh most respected Vzaem,
>
> I gotta disagree. How is creative expression different from art? How
> does calling music "art" make it elitist? How would its being elitist
> make Britney Spears rich?
art is a term differentiating expression from itself. calling music art
does not "make it" anything. art by definition is elitist, since it does
separate itself from mere expression. as in, i could paint a picture and
make thousands of dollars for it, but would anyone really pay me to stand in
their house and express myself by talking all day? probably not. fact is,
there are forms of expression that are generally recognized as being
"better" in some way than others. these forms don't have much of a basis
for being "better," other than the fact that people think and have thought
they are so. now to the getting rich question. britney spears is doing
nothing new. others before her have gotten rich because they did they same
thing. wear a bunch of makeup, allude to sex a whole lot, wear skimpy
clothes, talk about boys and make sure you have an attitude. if you were
driven, you too could make as much money as she does or n'sync does by being
a clone of them, and of backstreet boys, new kids on the block, aaron
carter, et cetera. it happens time and time again. now that in itself
isn't all *that* bad. but the problem comes when people have been taught to
worship "art" as giving some sort of inner experience or realization about
themselves, which our society and most others do. the spice girls are not
about singing from an inner need to; if there were no money in it for them,
they would never have gotten into it. but there is, because all the
disenchanted people need them to look to for guidance, and are willing to
pay for it. the dilemma comes when you look at the things these people are
saying. i doubt it gives any positive inner guidance to anyone, when
britney spears says, oops i played with your heart. that's why i don't
think artists should be paid more than it costs to produce the art.
quoted 4 lines Art doesn't have formulas; science has formulas. Certain genres of art
> Art doesn't have formulas; science has formulas. Certain genres of art
> have rules to follow in order to stay within that genre, but if you're
> trying to write a rock song with paint on canvas your result may not be
> rock music but it will probably still be considered art.
this is true.
quoted 2 lines Come to think of
> Come to think of
> it, it might end up IDM. Heh.
:)
quoted 10 lines Computers follow formulas and spit out a result, people create art. If
> Computers follow formulas and spit out a result, people create art. If
> Britney's songwriting team is simply plugging in random numbers into a
> songwriting equation of some sort, then they are not making art and we
> don't have to worry about it. But I don't see how it's possible for a
> human, or even a committee of humans to write a piece of music without
> some kind of creativity involved. Perhaps Britney Spears is just a vocal
> athelete of sorts making money off of the work of artists, but that don't
> mean it ain't art. Using B.S. and the Spice Girls as a reason not to call
> music art is like refusing to ever use cars because some people choose to
> drive them over cliffs!
it's nothing like that. listen, i just disagree with the separation of art
and expression. i think that the concept of art, perhaps moreso than any
other factor, makes the population disenchanted and lost, with only a slew
of misleading symbols to guide them. it's like a religious parable with no
point, no moral.
vzaem
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