No problem.
Keep up the good work,
Paul Chillage.
quoted 320 lines From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com>
>From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com>
>To: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>, <josh@undertone.com>
>CC: <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:55:57 -0700
>
>thanks for the kind comments Paul.
>
>~swamay~
>www.mp3.com/swamay
>www.swamay.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>
>To: <swamay@home.com>; <josh@undertone.com>
>Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
>
>
> > ok swamay,
> > I gave you the benefit of the doubt and logged on to mp3.com
> > and had a listen to "what's your frequency" and "freq the technique" and
>I
> > liked both of the tracks.Obviously I couldn't hear everything in them
> > because I'm using a 56kbps modem (fastest domestic connection available
>in
> > Ireland btw !!!!!!!) but I have to say that I then put on "Ageispolis"
>and
> > "Xtal" by the Aphex Twin and well you know who won.
> > Your stuff is nice in an R'n'b meets electro vein (esp. wyf )but it kind
>of
> > limped along clutching its balls.
> > It may be "cutting edge" but its still miles behind the above 2 tracks
>(and
> > you know how that album was mastered).
> > Sorry.
> > Maybe I'm the guy to make you try harder.
> > Please do.
> > But don't forget to get rid of your Kyma in 6 months.
> > All the best,
> > Paul Chillage.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com>
> > >To: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com>
> > >CC: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
> > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:34:41 -0700
> > >
> > >Simpler the better eh? not for me. i like options. dont like to
>conform
> > >to what i have been given. there is always more out there.
> > >
> > >
> > ><<who needs more than a
> > > > few waveforms,
> > >
> > >ME
> > >
> > ><<a couple envelopes and a couple of LFOs????
> > >
> > >ME
> > >
> > ><< WHY?????
> > >
> > >so i can make more interesting music.
> > >
> > > >>? who wants to lug a computer to a gig????
> > >
> > >ME
> > >
> > > > Have you ever considered that maybe the problem isn't that you don't
> > > > have enough new gadgets, but that you just lack talent????
> > >
> > >Yes i sold all my gadgets to get a computer system, I oooze talent..
>and
> > >KNOW that. :)
> > >
> > >
> > ><<> New sound and gadget obsession is not a sign of musical innovation,
>it
> > > > is a sign of boredom and boringness and means you are probably just
>a
> > > > sound designer who wishes he was a musician. SOund designers get
>paid
> > > > big bucks in hollywood to do special effects in sci-fi movies... Why
>not
> > > > go get a job in hollywood and you will be more successful than
>99.99%
>of
> > > > all musicians out there....
> > >
> > >
> > >hahaha... I DO! :) that is why i bought KYMA in the first place :)
> > >
> > >
> > ><<> ok so before you have even heard my album, the fact that I am using
>a
> > > > Nord, my guitar, a sampler and some effects already eliminates it
>from
> > > > consideration? man.... WOW you are just too much!>>
> > >
> > >No, I dont like guitars. Where can i hear your album...I will listen
>to
>it
> > >gladly. :)
> > >
> > ><<> or because the fall in love with a particular instrument and it
>always
> > > > goes beyond their wildest dreams in satisfying their needs and they
>have
> > > > no reason to look elsewhere?>>
> > >
> > >more power to ya. :) But i would be surprised if ANY peice of gear
> > >satisfied anyones need to where they dont have to look elsewhere. not
>even
> > >DSP systems (which are more advanced than anything else in the market)
>go
> > >beyond my wildest dreams. If a sampler and a few synths will go
>beyond
> > >your wildest dreams, then you are one LUCKY electronic musician. and
>you
> > >will save TONS of money over your carreer.
> > >
> > >
> > ><<Well, I went through that
> > > > phase and then I realized that nothing is really ever new anyway, we
>all
> > > > recycle our influences, and originality is great, but only when
>combined
> > > > with quality, which implies the ability to communicate emotions and
> > > > ideas through music, some of which are timeless and old and others
>are
> > > > new... you have to be able to combine all of the forces together to
> > > > achieve greatness...>>
> > >
> > >Jesus! do you even know what a KYMA does???? or beyond that, have you
> > >used
> > >one??
> > >So you know what it can do to your influences, your recylcled
>influences.
> > >Im happy with this "phase" im going thru. This "phase" allows me to do
> > >things with my equipment you C
> > >AN NOT do with any other peice of gear.
> > >
> > >I feel that anyone can make electronic music. my mother has given it a
> > >shot
> > >and she listens to jazz. But to be an innovator you must stay on top
>of
> > >technology and break barriers that no one else is. That is my hope
>with
> > >DSP
> > >systems. And am sure this is why Atom Heart/Autechre/Low Rez and
>others
> > >buy
> > >these systems, to get unique sounds, and to give them flexibility they
>did
> > >not have with conventional gear.
> > >
> > >Take it easy.
> > >
> > >~swamay~
> > >
> > >www.mp3.com/swamay
> > >www.swamay.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com>
> > >To: "swamay" <swamay@home.com>
> > >Cc: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:56 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
> > >
> > >
> > > > comments inline below:
> > > >
> > > > swamay wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6
> > >months,
> > > > > > >you're
> > > > > > > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious
> > >dedication
> > > > > > >towards
> > > > > > > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any
> > >synthesizers
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > samplers.
> > > > >
> > > > > We both meant "hardware" synths and samplers. We use DSP or a
>hybrid
> > >of
> > > > > hard/software.
> > > > > using an ASR-10 or a KORG keyboard is a bit overreated. they dont
>do
> > >much
> > > > > anymore.
> > > > > We make "samplers" or "synths" on the computer now a days.
> > > >
> > > > who wants to lug a computer to a gig????
> > > >
> > > > also, I like knobs!!!! the simpler the better... who needs more
>than
>a
> > > > few waveforms, a couple envelopes and a couple of LFOs???? WHY?????
> > > > Have you ever considered that maybe the problem isn't that you don't
> > > > have enough new gadgets, but that you just lack talent????
> > > >
> > > > New sound and gadget obsession is not a sign of musical innovation,
>it
> > > > is a sign of boredom and boringness and means you are probably just
>a
> > > > sound designer who wishes he was a musician. SOund designers get
>paid
> > > > big bucks in hollywood to do special effects in sci-fi movies... Why
>not
> > > > go get a job in hollywood and you will be more successful than
>99.99%
>of
> > > > all musicians out there....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >So once the album is over 6 months old its not relevant any more
> > >because
> > > > > the
> > > > > > technology is "old"!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No an album made in the past 6 months does not get dissed. But
>using
> > >the
> > > > > "standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does.
> > > > > Thats what i mean by be an innovator.
> > > >
> > > > ok so before you have even heard my album, the fact that I am using
>a
> > > > Nord, my guitar, a sampler and some effects already eliminates it
>from
> > > > consideration? man.... WOW you are just too much!
> > > >
> > > > > But course there are those musicians that will always use the same
>old
> > >gear,
> > > > > because that is what they are comfortable with, and have no desire
>to
> > >move
> > > > > forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the
>learning
> > > > > curve.
> > > >
> > > > or because the fall in love with a particular instrument and it
>always
> > > > goes beyond their wildest dreams in satisfying their needs and they
>have
> > > > no reason to look elsewhere?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think most musicians have made a rep with the gear they have,
>and
> > >fear
> > > > > rejection if their style changes in the slightest, due to new
> > >unfamiliar
> > > > > gear they are using.
> > > >
> > > > I think you must be smoking crack. Most musicians with any integrity
> > > > care not one iota about their "rep" and will use whatever tools are
> > > > necessary to accomplish the task at hand.... If you need a piano
>sound,
> > > > use a piano. If you need a rhodes keyboard sound, use one of those,
>if
> > > > you need a psychedelic synth sound, what's wrong with a Nord or even
>an
> > > > old MOOG or something?
> > > >
> > > > no hard feelings man, I just think you have a very unique taste or
>that
> > > > your style and taste is maybe going through a phase that I think we
>have
> > > > all been through where you focus on originality at all costs. In
>other
> > > > words, originality is all that matters, so just because no one else
>has
> > > > done it before or it's new makes it great... Well, I went through
>that
> > > > phase and then I realized that nothing is really ever new anyway, we
>all
> > > > recycle our influences, and originality is great, but only when
>combined
> > > > with quality, which implies the ability to communicate emotions and
> > > > ideas through music, some of which are timeless and old and others
>are
> > > > new... you have to be able to combine all of the forces together to
> > > > achieve greatness...
> > > >
> > > > in my humble opinion.....
> > >
> >
> >
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