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christian adam hresko
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Date:
Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:36:12 -0400
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Re: [idm] fuck cycling 74...
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quoted 14 lines right. except jMax is for linux.> right. except jMax is for linux. > > and cycling 74's products are for mac. > > so my point is fuck 'em both. > > go rebirth ! > > LOL > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music For The Mind >
well, there's no reason you couldn't get jmax running on a pc or a mac. (probably easier with OS X...) and of course there's PD. that will run 'native' on a pc. (no mac damnit!) PD is the equivalent of MSP. miller puckette wrote Max and MSP. cycling 74 licensed Max from IRCAM (although puckette did all the porting...) and i believe miller has 'intellectual' rights regarding PD (but he leaves it open source for you to tweak and whatnot...) and cycling 74 licensed this from somewhere. (IRCAM or miller?) i never really had any bias against cycling 74, but after seeing what they did to nn / nato, that kinda left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. hell, she (netochka) won a relatively prestigious award, so i don't think the 'claims' cycling 74 are making against her are going to hold up much longer. (it's kinda hard to win an award based on your programming and art skills if you have no programming or art skills... which is what most of the claims C74 are based upon) and i believe she's been asked to speak, in public, about this issue. maybe i will purchase a C74 product in the future, but i see no reason to do so now. PD is free. Max is neat and all, but without MSP, you're just building MIDI apps and controllers. (for the most part...) and of course there's SuperCollider. that program in itself does just about everything you need. i'm sure i'll kick myself for getting into a 'political' debate, but if you're taking something that's free, and marketing it under a different name (very much like all the linux companies that died because everyone finally discovered that you can get 5 different builds of linux for 2 - 3 bucks... instead of paying 50 bucks for a box and shitty manual) for a pretty considerable profit, that's kinda lame. i realize this is done everyday in the 'business world,' but i think C74 is gonna dig its own hole if they don't release some software that they actually wrote. (not licensed, contracted, stole, reverse engineered, round trip engineered, etc, etc...) yes, pluggo is cool. but you could write pluggo in MSP if you really wanted to. and since MSP is PD with a 'user friendly' interface, you could just use PD and write your own plugin(s). or use SuperCollider. as for rebirth, um, yeah. i hope that was a joke. have to admit, audiomulch is pretty cool though. but not cool enough to get me to switch from mac to pc. or ditch SC. and you can't forget about reaktor. if there's two programs that you shouldn't pirate, SuperCollider and Reaktor are up there on the list. digital performer is another. okay, i'm done ranting. as for performance on stage. a WACOM tablet. that works. cheers, christian -- "realize that being copied means being alike"