quoted 5 lines you'd be shocked. getting published (the nearest equivalent to a> you'd be shocked. getting published (the nearest equivalent to a
> "musical performance") in established journals in medicine (medical
> research, that is) is based on a process more subjective and
> political than you'd think, despite science being thought as an
> objective endeavor.
Off course, science is made by human beings, not machines.
quoted 8 lines scientists are very protective about their pet ideas and set> scientists are very protective about their pet ideas and set
> conceptions about How The World Works, and when they become editors
> at these mags -- like any situation where someone is in a situation
> to make big decisions -- you'll find that a lot of high-level science
> articles that don't make the cut often conflict with the editor's
> perspective ("the data here are inconclusive, doesn't support this
> claim, etc.") -- and without publication, funding and tenure for the
> renegade scientist can get dropped (no "MTV-level exposure").
You are forgetting the referees, those who really read the manuscript.
Normally the papers submited are far from the research that the editors
make. So it's always a question of luck, I gess. So the trick is not
making the referee a fool :))
quoted 8 lines likewise you see people at music magazines, people with big mouths> likewise you see people at music magazines, people with big mouths
> like me, who shoot down musical ideas because they don't like them,
> but they're in an excellent position to voice and distribute their
> opinions, whereas Real Independent Musicians are generally pretty
> busy touring or focused on the business of Making Music, and Fuck The
> Critics. i suppose one solution is to make and review your own work
> in the big publications -- holding down a couple of legal names if
> necessary -- if you're looking to maximize your exposure.
That's an interesting idea, but I don't think critics are that important:
there are many, it's just a question of luck untill you find someone who
likes you.
quoted 4 lines i suppose one larger question to this list is, in the purest creative> i suppose one larger question to this list is, in the purest creative
> sense, if you make music, what is it about others' opinions -- what
> is it about the performance aspect of standing in front of a crowd
> that validates the music?
A live performance is not only music. People must feel that something new
is coming out of the speakers, otherwise it's better to stay at home or go
to some bar and listen to it with friends. As an example I could give a To
Rococo Rot concert, where I was very surprised with the extensive use of
electroacustic musical instruments in their concert. And it was, it sounded
different from the album and it music made by human, not recorded. In the
opposite, a show of Kid 606 is to see some where behind some electronic
equipment with no interaction with the public. Others, like Pan Sonic, are
not hidden, and it is very good to see them manipulating their "noisy"
instruments. Therefore I think the perfomance aspect is essential to
validate a live act. But not the music, that is validated anywhere, an
artist can be an lousy perfomer, and yet he/she can make wonderful albums
(the opposite may happen also).
quoted 9 lines i go to some of these electronic music shows and the social aspect of>
> i go to some of these electronic music shows and the social aspect of
> this stuff simply can't be swept under the rug. i wonder if people go
> to these shows because we're monkeys and we want to be in
> "experimental artsy elitist electronic music tribes" or "trance
> techno rave tribes" or "banjo, fiddle and jug tribes". i wonder if
> the music is really there to validate or reinforce this primal
> behavior, and not the other way around. maybe we're looking in the
> wrong direction.
The fundamental thing is that one way or another, everyone wants to have
fun. Than each one have their own idea of fun.
Cesar
PS: I can't believe someone is discussing science in a music mailing list :)
Really, this is the best mailing list I've ever been :))
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