Just to add my 2 pesetos to this... I've been wondering lately... and
thinking that I like the term IDM, because it seems to me (and I'm not all
that well-versed in music history) that the great musics of the world all
started out as dance music. It was only later that they became
"intentionally and intelligently evolved" into music that you could kick
back and just listen to alone. Gospel-->Ragtime-->Swing-->Jazz.
House-->Techno-->IDM. I'm now getting really into jazz (by way of idm, mind
you), especially people like Thelonius Monk, John Zorn and Chicago
Underground Duo/Trio. I especially like ethnic jazz. There are some
amazing recordings of 60s-70s Ethiopian funk/jazz out, which are among my
favorites. Anyways... I'm getting into my own tastes now. If anyone has
any must-have suggestions for intelli-jazz or ethnic jazz, please let me
know.
vzaem
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> From: R. Lim [mailto:rlim@escape.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:15 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: [idm] What IDM sounds like
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 mattu@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> > [someone else said]:
> >
> > >Jazz bares almost no resemblance to hiphop... Jazz is fundamentally
> > >melodic
> >
> > I would argue that jazz is fundamentally rhythmic. Based on that, and
> > its sociological roots, it bears quite a bit of resemblance. But I
>
> Rhythmically, African music differs in a fundamental way from western
> music traditions in that it uses a combination of patterns with different
> (and long) lengths and emphasis to create a complex rhythmic mesh that
> repeats itself over a longer period than four measures. I would say that
> jazz soloing and rapping are descended from this approach inasmuch as both
> involve subtle adjustments ahead/behind the beats in a western music
> "measure". This kind of replicates the rhythmic complexity of African
> drumming in an unnotable way. By the way, I imagine it would probably be
> difficult to rap over any rhythmic base that is intentionally
> unpredictable (unless you were very gifted).
>
> I would say that the most prominent characteristic of jazz are its
> contraints on improvisation, e.g. adherence to the chorus-based
> structure.
> Everything else is window dressing, IMO. Prior to the 60s, this structure
> was based on blues or popular songs (in a manner derived from the blues)
> and purely harmonic. However, Ornette Coleman's harmolodics blew the field
> wide open by substituting a different element in the structure, namely
> "melody." My non-musicologist ass likens this to the introduction of tone
> rows in serialism.
>
> By the way, I think the term IDM (like free jazz and punk) is less of a
> description of idiomatic tendencies than a set of common attitudes towards
> an established genre of music (e.g. experimentalism). I mean, what other
> similarities can you draw between post-electro Black Dog and the clipped
> house of Thomas Brinkmann?
>
> -rob
>
>
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