jon anderson wrote :
quoted 3 lines good point. often the most earnest attempts at>good point. often the most earnest attempts at
>"representing region" while working with a foreign
>style produce the most nauseating results.
i'm glad you used the word 'represent'--remember that most
hip-hoppers making music belong to some kind of CREW, be it cash
money or wu-tang or nwa. i read once that the gescom 'crew' was
spawned by booth/browne's hip-hop roots. idm is lonely bastard
music, and laptop producer whores find it fashionable to be on as
many labels as possible, in as many countries as they can. but
honestly they can't REPRESENT
adam piontek, before his post dissipated into total misunderstanding
("Face it man, you're trying to tell people to not be
inventive"--absurd!), stressed that music is not a culture itself.
no, the sounds aren't a culture, but the scene that grows around
various artists/aesthetics then lifestyles DOES constitute a culture,
and hip-hop IS a culture as well as a genre.
n johnston is concerned about our little 'idm culture' (oxymoron?
jk), and says that it does 'reflect the culture of technologised
Western late-capitalist society'. of course there is SOME culture,
some number of protocols (musical style, as well as lots of num3rals
+ punkktuat!on ////uz[e]d in.writing++++, etc.), but on the whole
nothing binds us but musical taste. why ? probably because we are
geographically seperated (the internet fools us). i don't know who
any of you are ; i don't know if you are my friends or not. there is
no idm cinema or theatre ; no identifiable idm recreational
activities, no particular idm drugs (dex ? ha.) ; there are hardly
even any idm nightclubs. hip-hop has all of these, and they define
the culture. props to skism : 'Everyone knows the 4 pillars of
hip-hop... emceeing, djing, breaking & graffiti'...
what armchair charlie was stressing from the beginning is that an
artist OUGHT to be aware of the cultural context he is pouring his
creative efforts into. nobody would attempt compose in the manner of
mozart (since he seems to be the most fucking popular example on this
list next to afx) without learning a high level of music theory. and
no ignorant techno rube can expect to walk into a hip-hop joint and
expect to impress everybody with his untrained ability. it's been
said a few times already, this idm attitude of 'let's chop up hip-hop
and call it hip-hop' is bullocks. when hip-hoppers began sampling
jazz, they didn't start calling their music jazz. the fact is it's
hip-hop as seen through the DSP-eye, which sees all soundwaves in
sixteenth-note sized chunks that it can rearrange in a random order
over a gritty 4/4 beat. no one is safe from the ravenous
DSP-beast... keep the children home tonight, they might find
themselves REMIXED in the morning ! SAVE YOURSELVES.
.af.
ps; speaking of people overstepping their little cultures, i just got
'lily of the valley'--who the hell is jeswa ? some nice
electroacoustic music, but how'd it get on an idm disc ?
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