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Nuutti-Iivari Meriläinen
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Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:24:36 +0200 (EET)
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Re: [idm] Towards an understanding of art and value?
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, ...(Sunsp0t)... wrote:
quoted 10 lines Argument 1 (boiled down)> > Argument 1 (boiled down) > Yes, by definition, the purchase of a work gives complete control > over the item. > > Argument 2 (boiled down) > Although there is an economic value and legal right, there is also > a social value. Legal rights extend from moral codes and being a > treasured part of our culture. >
Walter Benjamin's ``The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction'' is a seminal essay on this subject. Everyone participating in a debate like this should read it and think about it for a while. The article was written in 1935 and may or may not directly translate to the discussion at hand, but it is a fascinating read. It is hard reading, but with time and thought it is a very, very powerful essay. You can find it all around the net, here's one URL: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~ednwww/Undgrad/ED10510/benjamin.html I'll quote a bit for those who don't have enough time or patience to read the whole essay: ------ BEGIN QUOTE ------ Even the most perfect reproduction of a work of art is lacking in one element: its presence in time and space, its unique existence at the place where it happens to be. This unique existence of the work of art determined the history to which it was subject throughout the time of its existence. This includes the changes which it may have suffered in physical condition over the years as well as the various changes in its ownership. The traces of the first can be revealed only by chemical or physical analyses which it is impossible to perform on a reproduction; changes of ownership are subject to a tradition which must be traced from the situation of the original. ... The situations into which the product of mechanical reproduction can be brought may not touch the actual work of art, yet the quality of its presence is always depreciated. This holds not only for the art work but also, for instance, for a landscape which passes in review before the spectator in a movie. In the case of the art object, a most sensitive nucleus - namely, its authenticity - is interfered with whereas no natural object is vulnerable on that score. The authenticity of a thing is the essence of all that is transmissible from its beginning, ranging from its substantive duration to its testimony to the history which it has experienced. Since the historical testimony rests on the authenticity, the former, too, is jeopardized by reproduction when substantive duration ceases to matter. And what is really jeopardized when the historical testimony is affected is the authority of the object. ... One of the foremost tasks of art has always been the creation of a demand which could be fully satisfied only later. The history of every art form shows critical epochs in which a certain art form aspires to effects which could be fully obtained only with a changed technical standard, that is to say, in a new art form. The extravagances and crudities of art which thus appear, particularly in the so-calleddecadent epochs, actually arise from the nucleus of its richest historical energies. ------ END QUOTE --- Please read the whole essay if the above two passages picqued your interest. I have found the essay to be both fascinating and correct, even though it mostly encompasses the visual arts and is almost 70 years old. And now for something not-so-completely different. It's... ** A DISCLAIMER: You could be offended by the following. I don't care. ** ** Good, argumentative comments are welcome, flames >/dev/null . ** I'll touch on the issue of P2P technologies like Napster as well: I think I have made my standing quite clear in my previous posts that I do not appreciate the way music is disseminated through technology to those who only seek to hoard it (collect it in numbers on their hard drives just to gloat on their existence and to promote their value as tradeable items like baseball cards). I hold originals very, very dear. If I want to listen to a record, I search for it, and if I find it I may or may not pay an arm and a leg for it, but I won't feel morally challenged because I didn't use a morally questionable method of obtaining the works of art I consume (although it is debatable whether the latest developments in DSP programming technologies can be constituted as art (or music, for that matter)). The usual counterargument is that the more the music spreads, the more people will actually buy it. I do not subscribe to this line of thought, because most people are not willing to pay if they don't have to (and please don't quote the sales figures of big companies - they do not apply to the question at hand - independent labels can't take it up the rear like huge music conglomerates can). The second counterargument is that the releases may be limited edition and very hard to get or not obtainable at all anymore - well, tough. If you really appreciate the music, you should be willing to search for it and pay for it. I welcome the death of Napster, and I would rather not see any more CDR trade posts on the list either. If thought simplistically, the wildfire spread of hard-to-find electronic music through P2P technologies like Napster is devaluing the collections of people like me, who spend time and money procuring the originals. And then people even brag about how many gigabytes of unreleased/hard-to-get material they have on the their hard disks. Granted, free flow of information is essential to the advancement of the information society at large, but works of art should be maintained as works of art, be they single originals like Rodin's or limited edition releases like Skam records, and thus appreciated and not devalued through infinitely reproducible digital copies that don't seem to incur any costs. In some instances with independent labels, the monetary losses are not the only things to consider - valueless digital copies also erode the culture (which some see as good since it challenges the established practices and values - I don't. Call me a square). Acts who haven't yet established themselves can use the leverage of the P2P technologies to make themselves known, which is a good thing since it is no longer up to the A&R people to decide what gets released and what doesn't. But when something _is_ released, it becomes a product to be sold in a limited quantity (represses notwithstanding) and thus should be duly appreciated. This is a thorny issue, and I am sure I haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg. Books have been and will be written on the subject. My views may seem narrow-minded to some, and you may respond with a flamethrower, but that is your right. I'll don my asbestos suit and wait for it. As I've probably written before (I can't remember who I could credit this quote to, but...), truth is plural by nature. My views are not immutable, and I've done my share of faux pas. This, even, maybe one of them. Cheers, -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org