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R. Lim
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Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:04:16 -0500 (EST)
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Re: [idm] cake or death?
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Matthew Korfhage wrote:
quoted 6 lines sounds of my own late teens/ early college years--which were PJ Harvey,> sounds of my own late teens/ early college years--which were PJ Harvey, > Railroad Jerk, Thinking Fellers Union, Tricky, Unwound, Doo Rag, Slint, K > records, and yes, Jon Spencer, along with a cross-section of 80's music that > somehow entirely avoids all of the bands that you mentioned (except Big > Black, come to think of it)--but in about 5 years I expect I'll find that > the world doesn't like that kind of music anymore. So goes it.
Yeah, but in another ten/twenty years, stuff like that'll be the nostalgic soundtrack du jour.
quoted 7 lines think of the mid and late 80's, especially, carrying over into the early> think of the mid and late 80's, especially, carrying over into the early > 90's, as being a time of incredible creativity in jazz, what with the Lounge > Lizards, the Jazz Passengers, John Zorn's creative apex, the birth of Bill > Frisell as a non-ECM jazzman, Marc Ribot, Wayne Horvitz, the meat of William > Parker's career (although you might as well think of him as a 70's musician, > even now, along with Ware and the young Mr. Shipp).... this is some damn > important music, and not entirely obscure, really. If anything, that period
I guess it depends on your viewpoint (I was the one who made the original point). IMO, most of the above had exhausted their valid contributions in the late 70s and mucked up the 80s with unlistenable garbage. And hey, I've got a pile of small-press jazz vinyl from the 80s that all exhibit a sense of directionlessness and lack of conviction, even from more established figures. If ever there was a time in which jazz was unsure about its future, this was it. I mean, the one nice thing about the 90s is that everybody sorta realized that there was no need to be embarrassed about the stuff that was going on in the 60s (though this current mode of ESP/skronk worshipping thing has gone on far enough). I will admit, however, that Anthony Braxton (the guy who Zorn got all of his ideas from) finally hit his creative stride during the 80s. And downtown still sucks, for the most part (Susie Ibarra, Rob Brown and Marc Edwards excepted). -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org