Maybe I've gotten confused here (really, could be, Egri Bikaver - Bull's
Blood - Hungarian wine - fantastic stuff), but it seems to me that the
below line of thinking is contrary to it's own argument. As I understand
it, Martin and Kent are contending that the degree to which DSP is utilized
is irrelevant. The theory, that there is some music that is reliant upon
DSP for its impact - which Martin and Kent are arguing against - calling
"everything... DSP fuckery"; stands stronger because of their argument, not
despite.
The point is, as with any style of expression, musical or otherwise, there
are certain salient devices which can be relied upon to trigger a sort-of
pre-disposed reaction. Maynard Ferguson hitting the high notes is one
example. Tom Hanks triumphing over adversity is another. Kid 606 relying
on heavily processed sounds is an example relevant here. Yes, there is
electronic processing in all the music we hear, short of acoustic
instruments in person (though, strictly speaking, it is not necessarily
digital). However, there is a difference between the music which relies on
suprising and unusual timbre (a very common IDM device) and music which
explores pitch, duration and volume as well. I, for one, find that music
that relies on just one of the four fundamental properties of sound of
proves to be of greatly limited interest. I won't pretend to be the one to
delineate between the two, however, that's up to you. I just seek to
acknoledge the issue. And yeah, it's worth discussing, I think that's why
this list is here.
Good night,
Matt
At 07:22 PM 1/28/01 +0000, Martin wrote:
quoted 30 lines I couldn't agree more with this msg, most people on this list have no
>I couldn't agree more with this msg, most people on this list have no
>conception of music, only sound... the inverted snobbery of raving about a
>particular sample or mix rather than someones voice or instrumental talent
>is absolutely negative, most idm artists and listeners seem to have no
>knowledge of anything not created using a sampler or sequencer
>programme...the ears of most listeners have been polluted by poor quality,
>bedroom mixing and mp3 conversion...many idm artists spend thousands of
>dollars on kit an often just regurgitate someone elses sound...quite a few
>10 year old kids could do a similar job Martin Lee-Stephenson > I can't
>believe the utter stupidity of even discussing this. THE ONLY > TIME YOU
>HEAR ACTUAL MUSIC IS WHEN SOMEONE PLAYS AN ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENT > WITHIN
>THE RANGE OF YOUR UNAUGMENTED EARS. > > Everything else is DSP
>fuckery. Check out a copy of Mix Magazine sometime > and read one of the
>blow by blow descriptions of recording and mixing > a pop hit. Artists
>like Cex, Kid606, Kit Clayton, etc conceptually > turn the artifice of
>mass culture pop on their head, by flaunting and > abusing the tools the
>majors use to fool you into thinking you're hearing > music. It's the
>musical equivelant of the Centre Pompidou, with all the > ductwork and
>conduit on the outside. > > Shit, most of y'all probably don't even LIKE
>music that can be made by a > human being without electricity. Judge music
>on whether it moves you or not. > Don't whine about the electrons people
>shove around. > > kent williams -- kent@avalon.net >
>http://www.cornwarning.com -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label >
>http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes > > >
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