I agree with you to an extent, but there has always been loads of "derivative" music. Even with all of the readily available digital tools, it's still not about what you have or who you got it from, but what you do with it.
n:h wrote on 9/1/01 5:16 pm:
quoted 190 lines Not sure where you get that>
>Not sure where you get that
>I imply 'that only rich people
>should be able to make
>music'.
>
>I did not mean to come off as
>elitist, the people on this list
>who know me know that's
>the farthest thing from my
>mind. In fact I am a huge
>propenent of the notion of
>putting the means of
>creation within everyone's
>reach.
>
>The point I was trying to
>make was that *there is
>simply so much to hear, see
>and experience*, in all
>media right now, I can't keep
>up. What's more the ratio of
>orginality vs. derivation
>(with reagrd to digital art) is
>snowballing in favor if
>derivation. And yes the
>argument of 'there will
>always be crap, filter it to
>find the gems' is a valid one.
>But I feel like more and more
>of our intuitive creation
>processes are being broken
>down into mathematical
>formulas, which I just don't
>'feel' the way I did when I
>heard the first IDM type
>records 10 years ago. Who
>knows, perhaps I am just
>tired of IDM and need new
>highs...
>
>Part of my frustration is
>also based on the fact that
>as an art director working in
>the web industry, I see the
>exact same thing happening
>in that visual medium.
>Everyone craps their pants
>about the funkstorung and
>Schematic web sites, when
>both of them use every
>Flash formula in the book;
>formulas, like Max/MSP
>patches, which can
>downloaded from the web
>and used. All those little
>tricks on Funkstrong.com
>were taken from Josh Davis
>@ praystation.com. WHat's
>more, Josh freely
>distributes all these scripts,
>which is cool (going back to
>the whole idea of
>sharing/power to the
>people/whatever); in fact I
>used the dragg-able palette
>script in my own site! But the
>truth is, while I appreciate
>the technical aspects of
>funkstorung.com, or
>barneys.com, or
>one9ine.com (or any of the
>dozens of these types of
>sites), they don't *move*
>me.
>
>www.elixirstudios.com is
>about the only one of these
>sites I am truly moved by,
>because it is so smartly built,
>the concepts are just as
>strong as the
>execution...he's one of the
>gems I suppose
>
>sorry to go off on a web
>design tangent...
>
>I guess I am suffering from
>little 'digital arthritis'
>(anything that can be digital
>will be), and am not entirely
>convinced that all this
>'sharing' is really helping
>things, at least in terms of
>making art with staying
>power, even when I am guilty
>of being one of the
>perpetrators...
>
>nate
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, atomly
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at
>04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote:
>> > We all have access to the
>same toolset now, and
>derivation is running
>> > rampant, with myself
>being one of the
>contributors. I'm not sure
>what to
>> > think actually. I don't
>know whether to be thrilled
>or depressed with this
>> > 'paradigm shift' of music
>creation (or any creation
>involving digital
>> > tools) we ar witnessing.
>And I type this as I watch the
>Apple Keynote
>> > showcasing the sick sick
>new G4 powerbooks (who
>doesn't want one of
>> > these?), including a clip
>of electronic music artist BT
>saying something
>> > about eveyone being
>able to make music now...
>> >
>> > is there such a thing as
>too much creation? Too
>much content? Are any of
>> > you guys' musical
>passions becoming
>desensitized due to this
>media
>> > blitzkrieg?
>>
>> This is the most elitist idea
>I've heard in a long time...
>You're essentially saying
>that only rich people should
>be able to make music
>> (I know that you may not
>have intended it this way,
>but that's how it's coming
>out).
>>
>> People made all these
>same arguments when cheap
>4 track recorders came out
>and I'd say that those only
>served to help out music.
>You think punk or indie
>would've ever happened if
>bands couldn't record
>themselves?
>>
>> I will put this theory
>forward: As the monetary
>level of entry to music
>decreases, the worst music
>will be worse than
>previously, but the best
>music will also be better than
>previously... I can put up
>with having two bad
>Autechre ripoffs if it means
>that somebody as
>revolutionary as Autechre
>also comes along at some
>point.
>>
>> --
>> :: atomly ::
>>
>> atomly@atomly.com |
>atomly@atdo
>
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