[idm] Re: music in loops / Cage / lala music lallala
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quoted 16 lines Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:57:56 -0800> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:57:56 -0800
> To: Ignorance Demands Martyrdom <idm@hyperreal.org>
> From: Ed Hall <edhall@weirdnoise.com>
> Subject: Re: [idm] Re: music in loops / Cage / lala music lallala
> Message-Id: <200012162157.NAA00868@screech.weirdnoise.com>
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> Ian Pojman <ipojman@jmlafferty.com> wrote:
>
> : uhhh, yo kurt? I havent heard Cage actually. I bet hes nice or whatever. but
> : what I meant was.... loops==organization==the definition of music.
>
> Music isn't about organization, though it involves organization.
> Organization isn't about loops, though a loop is a type of organization.
> You can play with word definitions all you want, but the concepts only
> have a few similarities and connections between them -- they're hardly
> equivalences.
True, perhaps I should say loops>>organization<<the definition of music.
What the hell ever tho... Music = organized noise. If thats not a title with
ambiguity, what is?
quoted 11 lines : And Ive> : And Ive
> : heard cage is good (i think?>) - if all it is is randomly generated wankery
> : I really dont think Id have that much interest.
>
> Cool. You'd probably not like Cage, since he's the source of much of the
> "randomly generated wankery" in modern music. He's more important as an
> influence than for his pieces themselves, though some are quite fine. You'd
> be doing yourself a favor to learn about him, whether you wind up liking
> him or hating him. It's hard to think of someone who had a more profound
> affect on the arts in the 20th Century, though some would argue that this
> is hardly a good thing.
I've heard of another composer who had a piece that was short, and just the
effects of a bewildered, increasingly aggravated, and tricked "symphony"
audience that heard nothing but silence eminate the room.......
quoted 9 lines : Theme plays an important> : Theme plays an important
> : role to me, in music. Thats why I hate the majority of noise -- its just
> : that. get my point now?
>
> I think that themes, broadly defined, are central to most people's experience
> of music. But noises can be used in thematic ways. Even random operations
> can be organized to form themes, as Cage did. But a theme isn't the same
> as a loop, nor is music just themes (nor does it require them, though it
> usually has them).
Ok, great point! :) This is equivalent to my usage of the word loop.
quoted 3 lines I suppose I could be crass and say that there is a Rottweiler with your> I suppose I could be crass and say that there is a Rottweiler with your
> name on it, but you seem to have backed away from the all-music-is-a-loop
> position in any case.
You know, theres just something about a those great danes that's so
human-like.
delphi
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