on 12/1/00 7:59 AM, aaron at step@systorm.com wrote:
quoted 10 lines i think that propellerheads have a great idea..> i think that propellerheads have a great idea..
> they are making the gear accessible on a computer..
> but they are KEEPING the gear metphor..
>
> i perosnally know about 10 musicians who refuse to use a comptuer for
> music..
> simply because they are gear-heads.. they look at reaktor's interface and
> cringe.. they see audiomulch and almost lose their lunch.. these guys want
> knobs, cables, & leds.. and lots of em.. Reason could very well be the
> software that blurs this line enough to tempt them to use it..
If they want knobs, cabels & leds, why wouldn't they want to touch them too?
I see _absolutely_ no similarity between a stupid computer gear interface
and gear. My computer screen is good for doing a couple of things: rendering
text so I know what the computer is doing, or what I am typing, rendering
photos, giving me a couple of windows so I can see multiple program running
at once, playing movies and games. *It is not a rack of gear* and it never
will be. It's a computer screen!
quoted 4 lines and any of you people who think the graphics on screen on Reason are taking> and any of you people who think the graphics on screen on Reason are taking
> up serious system resources.. you need to look into visual programming a
> little more.. interface design is always negligible compared to realtime
> audio processing..
I call your bluff. SuperCollider is an incredibly sophisticated real-time
audio processing programming language. It runs more efficiently that any
other program I own. To quote a friend/collegue in a recent conversation:
"it takes me longer to compile a program in C++ which adds two numbers than
it takes me to compile a much more elaborate SC patch."
The GUI in SC is incredibly efficient and has no elaborate designs, just
simple sliders, range views, waveform viewing, checkboxes and radio buttons.
And there are no "caution, beware of electric shock" signs or pictures of
fans and AC power outlets. Interface design can make or break an audio app,
look at Reaktor. Great tool, processor hog. There is nothing that Reaktor
can do that SC can't. The most apparent difference is that Reaktor has a big
fluffy GUI and SC does not.
quoted 3 lines most of the knobs are repeated.. there's only like 10-ish face plates.. and> most of the knobs are repeated.. there's only like 10-ish face plates.. and
> most of the grapics are bmp's anyway.. which take no overhead once
> rendered.. especially with directx.
You are forgetting that you can automate the knobs, which requires
animation. Each frame is a different graphic. There are _many_ more than 10
graphics involved if you actually make a detailed count.
quoted 9 lines and yes it DOES have to look like roland gear.. that's what makes it>
> and yes it DOES have to look like roland gear.. that's what makes it
> usable..
> anyone who's been playing with gear for a few years knows that you can pick
> up any new roland box, and learn it in a few minutes.. they are always very
> straight forward and simple.. which makes them classic..
>
> granted.. the older boxes (303 etc) could have been a little easier to use..
> but they didnt have much options for processing then..
Maybe, but that day won't come until we can get touch screen computers with
a vertical monitor that's five feet tall. Until then we have to use tools
like a mouse and keyboard, which are not well suited for manipulating
hundreds of knobs and sliders.
-l
quoted 16 lines Whoever wrote this is a very smart man....it looked>>> Whoever wrote this is a very smart man....it looked
>>> cool to me at first but now that i hear this it really
>>> makes me think otherwise...that stupid graphics crap
>>> is a waste of computer energy!!
>>
>> This is exactly what I think. I want a purely functional interface on these
>> things - Windows/Mac style would suit me fine. I thought Rebirth was far
> too
>> fiddly as well as wasting processor time. The point is to sound like the
>> Roland products, it doesn't have to look like them too.
>
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