I have no problem agreeing on this, although for other reasons I personally
would express it in terms of the sounds being framed into a context (instead
of in terms of purpose), which does require more than just passive
appreciation. I was just being sloppy in my original post. Listening to
your refrigerator--and liking it--is only hearing the possibility of turning
that sound into art/music, not music itself, unless one wants to go wild
with the idea that true art exists only in the moment of its conception, and
not in its physical manifestation (don't go there, please don't go there).
Godspeed,
M.
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Made with affection by distrustful lovers.
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>From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>quoted 30 lines At 11:57 AM 10/9/2000 -0700, Matthew Korfhage wrote:
>At 11:57 AM 10/9/2000 -0700, Matthew Korfhage wrote:
>>OK. I'd been staying out of this, mostly because I try to steer clear of
>>anyone offering up criteria for what constitutes "REAL music", unless that
>>criteria is simply the fact that it is being offered up as such. As far as
>>I'm concerned, the jackhammer outside your window mixed with the din of
>>traffic, the low hum and whine of your refrigerator, and the insipid
>>dialogue on your neighbor's television can be music, if it is heard as
>>interesting and appreciated within a musical context.
>
>
>i'd like to differ from this, stating that essentially random noises heard
>in a musical context do not constitute music; rather, they constitute
>noise. depending on personal preference, such noise can be appreciated or
>hated, but it's still noise.
>
>music has to have a purpose. whether it's a carefully calibrated
>orchestration, or people playing live, a purpose is present. now, if you
>record the noise occuring from random sources, then that could arguably be
>music, but that's YOU having the *purpose*. i'm not stating purpose as in
>"i set out to do this", but purpose meaning that someone has to do
>something to make it music, even if it's just making a recording. even if
>you get 5 random people on stage "playing" different instruments randomly,
>if they just happen to be up there, it's noise. if they're up there for
>the purpose of making random sounds, then it's music.
>
>:)
>
>cheers,
>/derek
>
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