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From:
Gause, Brian
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Date:
Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:25 -0700
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RE: [idm] art by assholes - Miles Davis and drugs
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-----Original Message----- From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:48 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] art by assholes - Miles Davis and drugs "Gause, Brian" wrote:
quoted 3 lines As for drugs 'wasting' talent...you just can't get away with saying that> As for drugs 'wasting' talent...you just can't get away with saying that > Miles' talent was wasted with alcohol. First of all, it was his talent to > waste, so it's not your business.
Whateva...
quoted 1 line Second of all, have you heard "Kind of Blue"? What more do you want?> Second of all, have you heard "Kind of Blue"? What more do you want?
About a million fucking times, so what (no pun intended) ? Is that supposed to show me the amazing effects addiction can have on the creative act ? I think Miles had actually kicked his heroin habit a few years prior to making "Kind Of Blue". Miles made lots of other amazing albums and who knows what sort of mental/health state he was in when he recorded them. Listen to Blue Haze if you wanna hear Miles dealing with addiction. ****************** Actually, I wasn't talking about addiction. I was talking about your condemnation of Miles' art (and art, in general) as "wasted" because of drugs. My point is that Kind of Blue is brilliant...no sign of waste anywhere in sight. That's what. ****************** I was watching an interview with "jazz legend" and ex-drug consumer Lee Konitz recently and he was saying that music created under the influence needs to be listened to under the influence for it to sound as good as it did while you were creating it and that it usually sounds terrible when you listen back to it and you're not stoned. ***************** This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good? Does the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear? And if you want more examples, try Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Stones, Hendrix, Bowie, Eno, damn, how many should I name? And if you want to talk about the affects of drugs, you have to include nicotine...caffeine...alcohol...so how about all those musicians who composed music while drunk? Do we have to be drunk to appreciate the genius there? What about musicians who smoke? What about internal chemical conditions? Do I have to have epileptic seizures to appreciate The Brothers Karamazov? The effect of external chemicals on the brain is not absolute. Some people get drunk on one beer, some people need a six-pack. Some tried pot and were never affected, others never inhaled and still run the country like a stoned-out wanker. You can't simply offer a sweeping generalization like 'drugs are bad' and expect it to stand up like this. Different chemicals change the electrochemical reaction system within your brain in different ways. This can have strange and crazy effects, some good, some bad, some interesting, some meaningless...many people aren't going to EVER create something as cohesive as Dark Side of the Moon, drunk, stoned or sober...some people are never going to understand it as it was intended...but you can't ignore the fact that some people can reach interesting insights and create meaningful symbology (whether written, musical or visual) when their brain chemistry changes. And there will always be someone (one, one hundred or one million someones) who find that personally meaningful. I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and millions of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with ZERO first-hand experience. If you've never taken a drink in your life, how can you know anything about what it feels like? If you've never been to Mars, should we really listen to you as an expert on the effects of the martian landscape on your vision of the world? Think again. ****************
quoted 1 line When you begin to think of the world in terms of quantity, rather than> When you begin to think of the world in terms of quantity, rather than
quality, you
quoted 3 lines miss the genius of individual moments in time.> miss the genius of individual moments in time. > I still don't understand how people can continue to look at the world like > this, passing judgment from the superior knowledge of hindsight as if
these
quoted 1 line matters were completely obvious all along. For those of you who believe> matters were completely obvious all along. For those of you who believe
the
quoted 1 line world is black and white, take a moment to consider that not everyone> world is black and white, take a moment to consider that not everyone
agrees
quoted 1 line with you. The world isn't as simple as it seems...especially from the> with you. The world isn't as simple as it seems...especially from the
outside. You have much insight, wise one. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org