heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write
terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares!
Clint Anderson
Systems Engineer
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
wrote:
quoted 149 lines There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music.> There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music.
> Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all
> the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well
> it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes
> 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike
> anything else.
>
> Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a
> good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM
> example, and even then that's subjective.
>
> It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else
> will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow
> your muse, and the result sucks.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a
>> bad thing?
>> also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are
>> NOT self indulgent?
>> (name some i bet they all are)
>>
>> anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more
>>
>>
>> Clint Anderson
>> Systems Engineer
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did
>>> had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with
>>> the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen
>>> to individual tracks).
>>>
>>> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was...
>>> even for the stuff that was more classified as pop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> go back
>>>> tom
>>>> do it again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <
>>>> meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should
>>>>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole!
>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the steely dan of techno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like
>>>>>>> "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list
>>>>>>> hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the
>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name
>>>>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot
>>>>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of
>>>>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES
>>>>>>>> his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys
>>>>>>>> are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self
>>>>>>>> indulgent' to people heh
>>>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt
>>>>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of
>>>>>>>> it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought
>>>>>>>> ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which
>>>>>>>> basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum...
>>>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING
>>>>>>>> original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <
>>>>>>>> mark@schieldrop.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the
>>>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor
>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Idm List
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hell is the limit !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <
>>>>>>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts,
>>>>>>>>> new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how
>>>>>>>>> about a thread for stuff you don't like?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his
>>>>>>>>> new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I
>>>>>>>>> haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Faraz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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