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Re: [idm] My Instrument
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In a message dated 8/15/00 2:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, youn0394@umn.edu writes: << i'm glad you're taking this lightheartedly :) i honestly don't take the comparison too seriously, since i do realize that it ultimately comes down to personal opinion. i appreciate that we're both on the same level. >> Yeah, I hear zealots on both sides all the time, and it gets tiresome. <<well, i wouldn't say "ignorance">> I didn't mean this as an insult, merely meaning it as a lack of experience and knowledge in the macintosh area, which I'm sure you'll agree is somewhat of a fair statement.. <<but more based on a) my first glance at both platforms, and b) the fact that i use an old pc for all my stuff. and you have probably significantly more experience than me using, well, at least macs. i don't do stuff that qualifies as "pro" on the pc, so i don't use things like cubase/logic/etc, because i don't "play" anything that i record realtime (i'm just not that good yet ;) )>> Well, my experience is as follows on the mac.. Starting 4 years ago, I started using mac-based trackers, and an audio editing program called "Soundmaker". From extensive use of SoundForge, I can say they are fairly comparable, but with both having their own weaknesses and strengths. Some of the effects are better on soundmaker and some are better in soundforge.. I prefer the interface of soundmaker however, it's a little more smooth. I've since graduated to using Studiovision Pro (not anymore though), some of Cubase VST/24, Metasynth, Reaktor, Koblo Studio 9000, and a wonderful little shareware program called SoundSculptor II which is my prized possession. Oh, and I make use of Peak as well, due mainly to its various plugins, and because I can use it to send samples via SCSI to my kurzweil K2000r, Retro AS-1, and Unity DS-1. On the PC.. I make HEAVY use of Acid Pro and soundforge. I also use Wavelab, Reaktor (i prefer the mac version), Fruityloops Pro, Cubase VST, Logic Audio, various softsynth programs including the Bitheadz software (retro/unity)..... If I had my choice, I would own a PC *JUST* for Acid Pro... Every day I learn something new in that program, and it's power amazes me. However... I'm very interested in the new Bitheadz software which is supposedly a lot like Acid Pro. We shall see... So far when working at home, I have to timestrech samples on my own to the correct sample, and I have to use tempo calculating programs to figure out *JUST* how many samples per measure a sample needs to be... Like I think (off the top of my head) it's 77596 samples per 1 measure loop at 140 bpm... i may be a bit off, I'm not sure (i'm on a pc right now, hehe). <<it's too bad that a lot of the differences between the two rotates around the OS. i'm very familiar in a windows interface, i'm used to occasional crashes, and my main software has this funky autosave thing so that if it crashes it remembers everything, even the part i was highlighting when it crashed (it's happened once or twice).>> Yeah, well.. That is one of the major differences between the two systems. The complications I have to deal with everyday on the PC mostly go away when I return home to my mac... My mac crashes... Maybe 2 times a week.. The PC i work on crashes everday. Oh, btw.. The PC I use at work is a 750 PIII w/128 mb ram... My mac is a desktop 266 g3 w/160 mb ram. I'm running OS9 on the mac, and Win98 on the PC.. However, I plan on switching to NT in the near future. <<<ah, noted. yes, one of the reasons i personally find the pc stuff better is the software choices.>> A huge misconpection, honestly... That was a very valid complaint for the macintosh several years ago.. However, nowadays, several of my favorite software programs are Macintosh only.. PC versions are being worked on, but not out yet, and they're a year or two late in coming. The only PC application that I'm really worried about using that I can't use on my mac right now is Acid Pro.. Once again that's being solved hopefully. <<plus my computer is a p166, so i can't use anything too cpu-gobbly anyways.>> Hehe.. I can emulate anything you can run on your p166 on my macintosh. <<i'm sure the plugins for both systems are available in a similar format, so you can use things like pi warp and the hyperprism things, and other plugs (if you choose to). >> Most are.. There are some differences here... Like I'm not sure if there is an Orange Vocoder plug in for VST for the macintosh.. But I don't use VST all that much, really. <<i'll agree that ProTools is much better on the mac, although protools otherwise works on NT which is even more stable than the mac OS's >> Whoa! Gotta disagree with you here on the NT subject! And so does my PC tech buddy sitting next to me! And Protools crashes a lot on NT, too. And lets not even talk about Win2000.... <<partially because it doesn't try opening up a ton of other things, memory re-allocation, and crap like that>> To tell the truth, I love being able to manually allocate my memory to my audio apps... I run 3 different Koblo synths/software samplers, Soundmaker (think soundforge), and SoundSculptor II (which is usually holding at least 60 mb of audio data), and AOL... And it runs fine on my 266 g3! <<most people agree that the mac OS isn't very good for multitasking,>> Hehe, wait until the next OS comes out.. <<this is cool :) although i generally use Acid for beatmatching samples>> My friend.. It does so much more than that. <> Which you can emulate on my 266 g3 which isn't really considered "fast" anymore. <<but from my standpoint there's no way i'd be able to make any music on a mac, because i have no money :>> Disregarding the cost of my Mac (1500$)... The cost of the programs I do all my songs on the mac cost.... SoundsSculptor II-30$, Soundmaker-40$, and Vibra9000-75$. Not too bad if you ask me! <> What do you mean by step sequencer? Like a roland X0X interface? Rebirth 2.0 can do that with drum samples. And Gamma 9000 by koblo can do the same thing. If you mean sequencers in general... Cubase, Logic Audio, Studiovision..... <<numerous free trackers>> Free trackers on Mac my friend! That's where I started out! There's also an amazing program called... Damn.. What was the name again? Oh well, I'll look it out.. But it's like 50$. Amazing tracker program that crosses over into MIDI. I believe it's available for PC as well! Ah PlayerPro!!!! That's it! Great program. <<so, is there a huge variety of software out there for macs>> Oh yeah. And with new bond between microsoft and Apple (every microsoft program is going to be released for macintosh now), other companies are beginning to follow suit. Check out the video game industry.. Blizzards next games are going to be simultaneous mac/pc hybrid releases... As far as high-end audio editing goes.. Most people go mac.. Especially with the Dual Processor G4's out now. Most professionals top-system would be a G4 with ProTools... But, there's so many different ways to do different things! It's all what you put in.. I personally love using the PC at work... But there's a certain affinity I have for my macintosh... Thanks for a nice discussion, and I hope I've been able to provide some insight! Jared --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org