On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:46:39 -0500 (CDT), Josh Davison wrote:
quoted 1 line think of sampling as the same thing as collage.
>think of sampling as the same thing as collage.
i do
quoted 2 lines it's a whole different
>it's a whole different
>skillset to be able to manipulate found sounds into a cohesive work.
totally agree. but that's not recognized by your average joe.
quoted 2 lines btw i agree with the original post to which i am replying in that if the
>btw i agree with the original post to which i am replying in that if the
>song is good, the technique really doesn't matter.
yes, if i enjoy something, i generally don't care how it was made,
but i am interested to a certain extent, because the process of
creation does affect how i perceive a work and it does affect the
result. if you use a real instrument and your own notes in a track
instead of a sample and the sampled notes, then the work is differen
then it would have been, correct? one isn't better than the other,
but it's different.
oh, and i care how something is made also in the sense that it might
have been made by forced child labor or something. i don't want to
be supporting that. but that doesn't usually apply to music... :p
quoted 3 lines puff daddy ... if you enjoy that Sting song that he jacked, then chances
>puff daddy ... if you enjoy that Sting song that he jacked, then chances
>are you'll enjoy his track based on that riff, even if you know he jacked
>the riff. beat-jacking is fucking postmodern, dude.
yes, it's post-modern, which i love, but again, that's different from
the way things used to be and it affects the artistic process. and i
think that needs to be recognized. you can't quite perfectly
compare, say, aphex twin, to, say, mozart, because their creative
processes were different.
as for sting and puff daddy, i find the puff daddy "version"
extremely annoying. why? it's a matter of respect. it colors my
perception of the music to know that it's so completely unoriginal.
i have little respect for puffy. he also mangled that led zepplin
song.
it's not a matter of saying his process is wrong, or samples are
wrong, it's a personal matter in this respect: sting and led zepplin
were uniquely talented human beings, worthy of great respect, and
created music that i enjoy on many levels. puffy jacks the songs
(not just the beats, dammit) and pretends they're new songs. they're
not -- they're weak covers at best.
i know he did some words, but that puts him on the level of bad poet.
-adam
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