I believe Chuck D. is pro-mp3. There was a debate between Mr. D. and Mr. Ulrich in
fact the other night either on webcast or on TV I forget which; unfortunately I
missed it...
nate
"Brian, from inside his own brain" wrote:
quoted 169 lines All...
> All...
>
> The Ninjas have weighed in on this discussion (if I remember correctly), but
> beyond Metallica, who else has weighed in from the artists' perspective? Have I
> just missed the arguments from other artists & groups or are there really so few
> people screaming about mp3s and napster?
>
> ---brian
>
> sean whalen wrote:
>
> > the argument that people buy releases after listening to the mp3's doesn't
> > mean that it's ok.
> > it's good that they do, and i know many people do (myself included), but
> > there is no guarantee at all that this is going to happen with everyone,
> > especially people less dedicated to the music than we are.
> >
> > if the label wants you to preview the album they'll post some mp3's on their
> > site. you can't steal something from someone then decide when you have the
> > money to get your own that you were just borrowing it ;p
> >
> > i often download mp3s then buy the album, but i don't think we can use that
> > fact to say labels are being ridiculous. they need a way to guarantee we
> > either buy the album after a certain time or remove the mp3s so it's not
> > 'infinite borrowing for the masses'.
> > -sean
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "atomly" <atomly@atomly.com>
> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Napster News
> >
> > > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:04:44PM -0400, alan r lucas wrote:
> > > > i can almost see what you're saying, but honestly, most of the people
> > that
> > > > are worried about mp3 distribution (like ninja tune and smaller labels
> > > > like that) really do rely on record sales for income. and i don't think
> > > > there's anything wrong with that, nor do i think it compromises the
> > > > musical integrity of the releases.
> > >
> > > I kind of have to disagree here. Lately I've been watching the IDM scene
> > go slowly down the tubes as more and more money is finding its way into it.
> > People are falling into popular formulas in order to turn a profit. I mean
> > look at Rephlex or any of the Autechre clones. Nothing shocking coming out
> > of either- nothing groundbreaking at all.
> > >
> > > I got into IDM because it was all about new territory- I never knew what
> > to expect out of a new release but I was almost always pleasantly surprised.
> > >
> > > Now it seems that before I even pick anything up I can guess that it's
> > going to be clicky breakbeats with a happy melody or disjointed beats and
> > very synthetic synths (i.e. Aphex Twin or Autechre clones respectively).
> > >
> > > > i'm guessing that you have other sources of income so you're obviously
> > not
> > > > worried about people getting your mp3s. in fact, you make them readily
> > > > available. but do you think it's right for someone to download amon
> > > > tobin's new album when amon really wasn't approving/intending for that
> > to
> > > > happen?
> > >
> > > I certainly don't think it's wrong. As the saying goes- there's no such
> > thing as bad publicity. I only bought the new Speedy J album because I
> > listened to the MP3s on my friend's FTP site. I would've passed it over
> > otherwise.
> > >
> > > For me, and a lot of people I think, MP3s are about equivalent to
> > realaudio on forced exposure's site or the listening stations at record
> > shops. Nobody ever gets mad at record stores that let you listen to the
> > vinyl before you buy it and accordingly they shouldn't get so pissed about
> > people previewing with MP3s.
> > >
> > > Or take a look at bootlegging. You can't tell me that a band like Phish
> > would have nearly the popularity they do if I had anything to say about it.
> > Err, I mean, if they didn't let people tape and trade their live shows. :P
> > >
> > > By the same token I can understand why people are offended when somebody
> > who likes their album doesn't buy it, providing it's reasonably priced.
> > >
> > > > with metallica, things are a little bit different. they've basically
> > > > turned their backs on how they started out, etc... plus a gazillion
> > people
> > > > buy their shit anyway. am i saying it's cool to rip off metallica just
> > > > because they're bigger? sort of. and obviouly that makes me look like a
> > > > hypocrite. but then, i don't like metallica's music anymore, and
> > > > regardless of what they might try to make people think, they aren't
> > going
> > > > to lose any money over a few hundred thousand mp3s. most of those people
> > > > probably own the albums anyway.
> > >
> > > Kind of like the recent Onion article about Kid Rock dying penniless
> > because of Napster. :)
> > >
> > > > look at it this way - would you steal from someone you love? when you
> > > > steal (or download or whatever you want to call it) your favorite
> > artists'
> > > > tracks on mp3 with no intent of ever buying the actual product, that's
> > > > what you're doing.
> > >
> > > I don't, and probably never will, do this. If I like a release I buy it-
> > plain and simple. Most of the MP3s in my rather meager collection are
> > either MP3s of music I already have on CD or vinyl or else songs that just
> > aren't worth buying. By this I mean songs like major label singles where
> > the rest of the album is just filler or tracks from a 3x12" that costs $27
> > or something.
> > >
> > > I really think that if people release good music and a reasonable price
> > they're not going to have any trouble selling it. The majority of MP3s are
> > schlock like Kid Rock, Britney Spears and Atari Teenage Riot- which is about
> > as worth paying for as TV commercials are.
> > >
> > > I swear- most music is only made to fill the space between commercials on
> > the radio or episodes of the Real World or Wet T-Shirt Contests live and
> > direct from Spring Break in Cancun on MTV.
> > >
> > > > oh, and miles davis was very much concerned with his music being
> > popular.
> > > > and it sure as hell didn't take away from anything...
> > >
> > > There are, of course, exceptions to every rule... Aphex Twins, Led
> > Zeppelins and John Coltranes aside I'd say it still probably works in most
> > cases. And there is of course a difference between being concerned with
> > people liking your music (which I still consider a bad thing- "chase after
> > money and security, and your heart will never unclench, care about people's
> > approval and you will be their prisoner" or "if you look to others for
> > fulfillment, you will never be fulfilled. if your happiness depends on
> > money, you will never be happy with yourself" --
> > http://www.atomly.com/tao.txt) and writing music for the point of it being
> > popular. There is a difference between wanting peer validation and selling
> > out- though the line between them does get blurry at times.
> > >
> > > --
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