Hey b.,
b. sims wrote:
quoted 11 lines sorry, if this continues for some a now dead thread.> sorry, if this continues for some a now dead thread.
>
> > As far as Kyma goes, I'm not so sure it's as rampant as you say. And in
> > fact, (and I'm sure this will be controversial but what the heck) You can do
> > almost every thing that Kyma can do with the hand full of software only
> > programs you mentioned. Especially MSP, Reaktor and SuperCollider. To tell
> > you the truth, I can't really see that advantage to Kyma other then the
> > whole "more is better" thing. Aside from Formant morphing, (which you can
> > almost do with MSP) The algorithms aren't that original. There is the
>
> umm, the algorithms are what you program them to be.
Not true. You don't program Algorithms, the programers who wrote the software
program them (unless of course, you are a programer ; )). In Kyma or MSP or
Reaktor for that matter, you link up DSP Algorithms and controllers and
modulators. The Original DSP algorithm stays the same but it's configuration in
the whole scheme of things can be variable... Right?
quoted 4 lines if you are just using the presets then yes you are better off buying something> if you are just using the presets then yes you are better off buying something
> else (like a roland groovebox.) however, if you accually have any desire
> to create sound and program your own algorithms then nothing i've seen
> does it better.
I think you misunderstand what I mean by Algorithm. In my vocabulary what you are
talking about is making "patches". Like on an old analog modular. You arrange the
modules and connect them to each other with patch cords. Sound familiar? I have no
intention of using presets (although, they are a great starting place if they are
good) in MSP or Reaktor. That would defeat the purpose of buying the software in
the first place. Especially since MSP is essentially a graphical audio programing
language.
quoted 9 lines those in the uk may be familiar with the tape> those in the uk may be familiar with the tape
> gallary. they do the london metro (bus) ads and use the morphing features
> to great effect.
>
> there is also the latancy issue. something which i hate about computer
> based software. even on a g4, there is absurd latancy and if you want to
> bring in an outside controller, ack. i personally don't like to wait 400
> ms for my fader movements to be recongized while playing live. kyma
> removes that (at least to the under 10 ms range.)
Whatever. It's all about fine tuning your hardware and software. It's not really
*that* bad to my ears. Maybe I've just gotten used to it. I also don't think my
system is lagging behind 400 ms like yours was. Although, I've never really tried
to measure it.
quoted 2 lines having used generator and msp, you cannot do the real time control as> having used generator and msp, you cannot do the real time control as
> you can with kyma.
Well, maybe it's not as responsive but you can definitely do it. I'm completely
fine with it. By the way, Monolake use a Power Book G3, Reaktor, and a Peavey
PC1600 controller box in live situations with excellent results. I sure that the
latency in that system isn't anywhere near that of the Kyma but I'm not so sure
it's as bad as you say it is.
quoted 13 lines dedicated DSP but for $3,500 - $4,000 for the base system, you better get> > dedicated DSP but for $3,500 - $4,000 for the base system, you better get
> > what you pay for... Right? Then there is this little nagging bit about
> > having to compile your setups before you can hear them... At least that's
> > the way it was the last time I checked. They may have changed it since then.
> > A friend of mind wanted one really bad until he found out about that.
>
> compiling is the price you pay for removing the latancy when playing the
> sounds live. it really isn't all that bad of a delay, and in the new
> verison (5.0) it has been streamlined more. i personally feel that it is
> worth every penny and much more. the a/d convertors alone are worth
> more then the $3500. ever price good a/d convertors, like
> digidesign's? (which accually arn't all that good) they could easily
> package the a/d convertors and sell them for upwards of $6k.
I'm not even going to get into an argument with you about 24 bit converters. I
suppose that someone who does music for commercials, or mastering, or runs a
studio, or does sound design for film, needs that kind of quality. I'm just making
weird music in my home studio so I sure don't. I'm not saying that 24 bit is
useless to anyone like me it's just that I really can't tell the difference. And,
I'm not so sure that once you get up to 24 bit/ 96 KHz, that you could tell the
difference between an Apogee and a gadget labs box.
quoted 3 lines another benchmark would be, how much would it cost to get equalivant> another benchmark would be, how much would it cost to get equalivant
> processing power. kyma basic unit is about equal to the processing of 3
> g4s. 3 g4s will run you about $10k.
Just where did you get those numbers from?!! 3 G4s? Cummon... maybe the upgreaded
model but not the 4 chip base model.
quoted 3 lines having spent time with the folks at> having spent time with the folks at
> symbolic sound, i know they are in no way trying to gauge you as a
> user.
I never said they where. They're A small company out of Champaign, IL. I don't
doubt there integrity. But they have no intention in selling there stuff to small
time home studios users, so I have no interest in them. Their main target is
engineering and sound design for film. People with a lot of money.
quoted 2 lines their upgrades are free, and their support is amazing. the cost of> their upgrades are free, and their support is amazing. the cost of
> the system is as low as it can be.
Ugh! I can't believe you said that. Do you work for them?
quoted 4 lines they also seem to have little desire> they also seem to have little desire
> to be a corporation (being in business for the sake of making money), so
> they are going to build the best system they can and not try to market to
> or deal with the entry level market.
As I said above.
quoted 3 lines music may be the most glamorous use of kyma, it is used in academia, kyma isn't> music may be the most glamorous use of kyma, it is used in academia, kyma isn't
> for everyone so if it isn't your bag then so be it. while psycho-acoutics
> research, and as a data analyst. it is what you make it.
You obviously own one so I'm not going to discredit your purchasing decision. I
bought a Kurzweil a while back and went through the same thing. I used to get
really defensive about why I spent so much money. I mean, it's a great
synth/sampler but I know all the hardware components combined don't cost as much
as they where charging for it. Some day, some big company will come out with a
more cost effective version of the Kyma. You will probably laugh and I will
probably think about getting one.
quoted 1 line b.> b.
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