cheers to you guys, ruairdh, alex.... this is a great conversation.
quoted 6 lines Just because they paid tDR to do some cover art doesn't make them >Warp> >Just because they paid tDR to do some cover art doesn't make them >Warp
> >copycats. Yes, they owe a debt to their forerunners across the pond. >But
> >they have their own voice.
>
> I didnt say they were Warp copycats. I've listened to all their releases
> since the first PBO 12" and, that release aside, have disliked most of
them
quoted 1 line as i fell they, like the less imaginative MAS releases, owe more than a> as i fell they, like the less imaginative MAS releases, owe more than a
debt
quoted 1 line to Autechre.> to Autechre.
now, i'm sorry to throw another post into the fray on this but...
my particular problem with this whole "Ae clone" business is that almost
everyone levels this criticism inconsistently. as you said, alex, they "owe
more than a debt to Autechre," but they don't get the dreaded label of
"Autechre clones." a lot of people on this list seem to agree with you, i
think. which sort of puzzles me...
it seems that the only time people really voice their angst against the
"autechre clones" is whenever someone wants to 1) rail against how shitty
"the list's tastes" are or how shitty "IDM is nowadays," in order to feel
self-righteous or cutting-edge in their own musical taste, or 2) explain how
great X label or group (sometimes their OWN group our label) is because they
DON'T sound like "Autechre clones." that makes the whole thing suspect to
begin with, for me. it seems like the giveaway way to build up
yourself/someone else on the list nowadays...
most often i see people just blindly attacking "Ae clones" with no specific
instances of who these "Ae clones" are. when they DO give specifics, i bet
you 9 times out of 10 they mention funkstrorung. funkstorung has been dissed
by autechre, and for a long time has caught heat on this list for sounding
like Autechre. and not without a certain amount of justification, of
course.. they, as alex has put it, "owe more than a debt to Autechre." but
most importantly, i think it's the precedent set on this list that has
people cutting on them for being an Ae clone left and right. and i seriously
think it's mostly the vocal elite on this list who have such a huge problem
with funkstorung. i mean,... Funkstorung sell records. lots of records.
so who else goes on this supposedly endless list of "ae clones?" the people
using this phrase might be referring to the many artists on mp3.com with the
"mxkkr.tolop" track titles and admitted influence by Autechre, but no one is
seriously going to harp on that crazy circus which is mp3.com, it makes you
seem kind of pathetic. Boards were brought up recently, but quickly
dispelled. Boards are too respected, so their debt/similarity/whatever to Ae
is irrelevant, apparently. While was very quickly brought up and put down
when "lock" came out... i figure since he was an unsigned, unproven artist
he was fair game for getting the "Scarlet A," but the fact that he's on Choc
Ind, a label you just don't dis around here, that complicated the situation.
same goes for Schematic/Phoenecia/Richard Devine...
you just DONT talk smack about those guys on the list, at least not to imply
they are an "ae clone" in the vindictive way people say it about Funkstorung
or any of these other
eh. just my idea. i'm sure this isn't a 100% correct explanation of the "Ae
clone" witch trials going on here, but maybe something to be considered.
-rk
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