>"Fuck dance,
let's art" ... right?
Right!!
And, in light of the partial interview that I post about Herbert saying that
he hates those kids who just sample shit, and the sampled artist(s) never
gets paid...............well, may I am just barking......
However, much of music nowadays is so fcking trite, I dont think that I'll
be trying to keep up with the Jones for too much longer. Weak and placid
like 'cream of wheat', much of this sample-bandwagon music and the artist(s)
have to go!
.......and me to.....
O!
-----Original Message-----
From: James R McPherson
To: idm@hyperreal.org
Sent: 5/10/00 12:45 AM
Subject: [idm] damn jazz shit - DELETE if you don't like nitpickyness
quoted 5 lines DJ Cam knows his Coltrane and ColdCut seem to know just about
>DJ Cam knows his Coltrane and ColdCut seem to know just about
>everything but I would love to see more useof Coltrane and Dolphy's
>intense riffs and extended solo clips, let alone Art Ensemble and
>SunRa; Mingus could be so fantastic if you want forceful streams of
>sound and what about McLaughlin or Larry Young!
Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the form is to be reduced
to "snippets" of loops I think the world would be better off just
playing
them on a pre-set synth. All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts
me. When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity, and improvisation
become whittled to a 6 second excerpt repeated ad nauseum? Sure, there
are similarities between electronic musics' use of grounding
themes/percussion and jazz reliance on a clearly stated melody, but it
ends there. While some electronic listening music is presented live
w/improvisation a central concept, it remains primarily a home-listening
experience (for better or worse). Concerts are your living room with
more friends and bigger speakers. Jazz, by its very definition of
improvisation and forward tilt, is not. Part of the joy is in hearing
how specific players re-interpret central themes/melodies and use them
as
a launching pad to artistic expression, night after night after night
changing. To reduce is to negate (or perhaps I should say to record is
to negate).
I do not doubt the poster's love or understanding of jazz (perhaps I
simply misunderstand), but the careful reconstruction of solo passages
in
an electronic recording does not add to the sum of musical art and
lessens the very work that many jazz artists accomplish. It may make a
very pretty pop song, and will probably be very tuneful, exciting, and
soulful. But it is not jazz. And for me, then, I no longer care who
the
individual/group sampled is. Does this mean Macero's repasting of
Miles'
trumpet and groups are not jazz either? Perhaps. Does this mean the
presence of the studio debases jazz in its very application? Hmm. But
this is an IDM list ; )
5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance music "Fuck dance,
let's art" ... right?
Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the challenge, not the
results. I hope 4 Hero acquit themselves of it as well on wax as in the
studio (intentional irony) ...
Sorry for wasting all of your valuable time,
J (still stoked about New Orleans' great Jazz and Heritage Festival)
obIDM: anyone heard the source recording for Peshay's "On the Nile"?
If
you have, it's hard to argue that sampling has always been a blessing
...
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