i'd also recommend the harris/plotkin collaberation entitled collapse
(believe 'tis on release), which is a good beatless dark ambient (not in
the monotonic drone way) album that i can actually just sit down and
listent to. cool stuff, and makes good background music for 1st person
shooters... btw, does lull material tend to sound like collaspe?
dronier? screechier? anybody?
ethan