I have one too:
How is a digital synth not a computer?
This is compleatly rediculus. There is nothing vibrating any more inside of
an MPC2000 then in a computer. I can understand your point... But I
disagree. I think you could make a better case if you where talking about
Guitars brass or wind and other 'Real'(Read: tangeble) musical intruments.
As some one who uses both aproches(hardware and software), I feel it's
entirly up to the composers do decide what makes them happy. If it opens up
your mind to new creative possablitys then it's a good thing. I have
absolutly no preference. Although, I have solely been using my computer
lately and I enjoy verry much. One last thing: It's compleatly rediculs to
blame computers for a recent glut of bad electronic music. Some of the best
music I listen to is made copleatly inside of a computer (Aphex, Ae, Jake
Mandell, monolake or Lexaunculpt)
-=GB=-
-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe McKeon [mailto:c.mckeon@rcn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:07 PM
To: idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (idm) Re: lets talk equip.
Computers have mad thingness. They got more thingness' then anythin.
My question: How is a computer not a musical instrument?
*c
ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote:
quoted 8 lines Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:45:41 -0600> > Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:45:41 -0600
> > To: International Damage Machines <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > From: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
> > Subject: Re: (idm) lets talk equip.
> > Message-id: <200003081745.LAA05850@cliffy.lmtas.lmco.com>
> >
> > >I think the dream setup for me
> > >would be entirely software based with nothing but knobs, faders and
midi
quoted 1 line instruments atached to the computer. Currently I'm programing some> > >instruments atached to the computer. Currently I'm programing some
stuff
quoted 1 line in Csound (I'd upgrade to jMax but my machine is too slow). With a> > >in Csound (I'd upgrade to jMax but my machine is too slow). With a
little
quoted 1 line knoweldge in Csound and the possibility of jMax, I wonder why anyone> > >knoweldge in Csound and the possibility of jMax, I wonder why anyone
buys
quoted 45 lines retail outboard gear at all.> > >retail outboard gear at all.
>
> Well there are plenty of electronic artists who either hate the matrix
> that working in a computer environment throws you into or dont use them
> much because they play live and understand the problems that one can get
> into with excessive reliance on computers...
>
> I know that some people work with computers and love them... and buy
> into the myth that you can do "anything" with computers... but one of
> the reasons for all of the sameness in electronic music at the moment is
> because working in a computer sequencing environment does not present
> the opportunity for things to fuck up in an interesting way and it also
> removes the artist from the reality that sound emanates from THINGS
> vibrating, not numbers approximating waves... that physical quality of
> sound is often lost or changed in a computer environment...
>
> Of course computer audio environments do make it possible for a large
> segment of the listening public to create as opposed to consuming, but
> when you see the glut of "electronica" currently polluting the stores,
> you have to wonder whether that is a good thing... there has always been
> a finite amount of true substance in any artistic field, and that
> percentage doesnt change with advances in technology...
>
> Many artists at the forefront of modern music are rejecting the
> sequencing environment for more of a hands on approach because they feel
> constricted by the "limitless possibilities" of the computer... in art,
> unlike most other areas of life, more choices does not equal a better
> situation... art usually thrives on limitation, and I think we are going
> to see more and more artists moving beyond the computer in the next few
> years... the more you TOUCH a piece of art the more you empart yourself
> onto it... and you cant touch anything inside your Logic environment
>
> I mean just look at the continued and even increased popularity of
> analog equipment and hardware sequencers... an Expander or an MPC3000
> hasnt lost any value despite all of the computer emulations... there
> will always be something about the "thingness" of musical instruments
> that computers cannot touch...
>
> Of course your experience may vary...
>
> A.
>
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