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Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: (idm) 12" vs.CDs
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quoted 3 lines alas what the irdial essay failed to point out is that virtually all> > alas what the irdial essay failed to point out is that virtually all > > electronic music (if not virtually all music) is mastered from DAT so > > at best on vinyl you get a slightly mushed up 44KHz sample rate...
irdial can blow me. what they don't know about recording technology would fill a stadium. Black Dog Droid writes:
quoted 6 lines yes, thats a good point. but akin *did* swing towards completely> yes, thats a good point. but akin *did* swing towards completely > analog recording in a later essay. He urges us to use tape wherever > possible, right up to the cutting of the disk. I feel that's > impractical (and noisy), so i use a mix of analog and digital in my > mixes, when possible. probably most artists concerned about > "warmth" in their finished recordings, do so too.
crap. there's plenty of things you can do if you care about warmth. analog "warmth" (so called) is simply a matter of controlled distortion. there's $500 boxes that can create that distortion for you now, on command. hell, there's even computer software algorithms that can make it (see: Renaissance Compressor from Waves, for example.)
quoted 4 lines In short, i don't believe the 96khz DVDs will be as good as yer all> In short, i don't believe the 96khz DVDs will be as good as yer all > singing, all dancing analog setup. that it will probably fit in a > suitcase, rather than a whole room, is about the only thing i can > see going for it. :)
and eventually it will cost under $2000 and be entirely reliable. unlike your basic analog deck which requires herculean efforts to keep aligned, cleaned, and functioning.
quoted 2 lines will it make 44khz records sound old and jaded ??> will it make 44khz records sound old and jaded ?? > grin, people might have to 'upgrade' their CD collections.
the whole idea of a 44khz RECORD (vinyl anyway) is to laugh... how many people's turntables even go close to 16khz? (that would be a 32k record, of course). how many "average human" ears are even good enough to hear above 16khz any more? if you go to loud clubs a lot, chances are your cutoff is even lower than that.
quoted 4 lines stuart is right though, it *is* an imperfect recording> stuart is right though, it *is* an imperfect recording > medium. Listen to records made before the advent of DAT, and those > made (or mastered) afterwards. I don't have the "worlds best ears", > but I can spot the difference.
it's the fault of the engineers who made the recordings then, for not understanding digital. or the fault of the mastering engineers who created the stampers.
quoted 3 lines why has the industry done this? is it a "cost thing"? you can get 4> why has the industry done this? is it a "cost thing"? you can get 4 > CD's into the same box as 1 LP? making them cheaper to produce and > ship? or what?
maybe, for once, it was a case of superior technology winning out? certainly when CDs came about they cost a fortune to manufacture. the prices reflected that. now the cost has just about equalized (and actually my recent research indicates that CDs are cheaper than vinyl if you do it properly!). no doubt the industry loves CDs because of the better profit margins. also quality control is much less of a hassle.
quoted 1 line soundwise, it sucks.> soundwise, it sucks.
oh please. find a better mastering engineer or learn about digital yourself and premaster your own CDs.
quoted 3 lines I feel (a bit) cheated when i buy a CD. LP's used to be chunky,> I feel (a bit) cheated when i buy a CD. LP's used to be chunky, > special, and full of bonus goodies. oh, *AND* you can roll a joint > on them. 12" vinyl is still my prefered medium.
it certainly looks good but it doesn't fit in your backpack and you can't play it in your car. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...