Humanerr0r@aol.com writes:
quoted 4 lines Why are you trying to make this out as a bad thing? Not everyone wants to> Why are you trying to make this out as a bad thing? Not everyone wants to
> sit in their studio with a white lab coat on and feel pressured to make up
> some completely new sound that, to most people, would be completely alien,
> and alienating.
er, but isn't that what techno, and idm in particular, is all about?
or have i just been misled all this time.
quoted 3 lines well, each to his own, but I thought it was very imaginitive, inspiring even> well, each to his own, but I thought it was very imaginitive, inspiring even
> - if it makes people aware of something new and creative in themselves, or it
> makes them laugh and cry, then Jimi *has* done the right thing.
no argument there, but why does it belong in IDM? i mean, i'm sure a
lot people really dig the new pearl jam, might even make them laugh
and cry, but we wouldn't talk about it here.
[funki porcini]
quoted 2 lines but just listen to the end product - badly produced, spacially flat,> but just listen to the end product - badly produced, spacially flat,
> with no spark, emotion fun or humour at all
i think it's amazing that two people can hear the same thing in such
different ways, but i guess that's what makes horse racing, isn't it.
quoted 3 lines a Funki Porcini record has never> a Funki Porcini record has never
> surprised me at all, I knew what they would sound like before I ever heard
> them,
ah, you're psychic as well. i'll remember that.
quoted 2 lines they are completely predictable, now they are people who will never> they are completely predictable, now they are people who will never
> expand the music..
you're off your tree.
quoted 11 lines now listen to JT - you could pretty much do all of that stuff with> > now listen to JT - you could pretty much do all of that stuff with
> > "regular" instruments.
>
> Oh, in that case, burn Jimi Tenor, the luddite! You could reconstruct
> Ambient Works 2 with regular instruments no problem. What is the point
> you're making? That we can only talk about 'unnatural' music here? That's
> stupid, interesting music (or more specifically, interesting electronic
> music) should be worthy of our attention if it's a microscopically sequenced
> scientific masterpiece or a simple yet soulful looped breakbeat with a live
> synth solo on it - yes you guessed it, I'm talking about Carl Craig's
> 'Desire'.
i honestly have no idea what you're getting at. like it or not,
people expect to hear a certain type of music when you say "idm" at
them. it's like saying bruce springsteen is techno because it's good
and it moves you and you think it's more creative than aphex twin.
which makes about as much sense to me as saying jimi tenor is idm
because it's good. i don't agree with either statement.
i see idm (and other net lists) as akin to newspapers or magazines.
you don't pick up the wall street journal to read movie reviews. you
don't buy macweek if you want to hear about windows software.
quoted 4 lines There's no distinction to make. Let's forget about that abstract idm> There's no distinction to make. Let's forget about that abstract idm
> definition for a moment and just consider some of our favourite records from
> Rephlex, Warp, Clear, whoever. Now, what makes them different from something
> like Herbie Hancock, or Brian Eno? Come on, really different?
uh, predominant use of technology in a certain way? interest in
creative use of rhythm? i mean, herbie has his straight out jazz
albums which i don't think are idm at all, and he has "future shock"
which i think is a total idm classic. is this distinction really so
offensive to you? i don't want to come off as some kind of net.cop, i
mean, go ahead and talk about jimi tenor til you're sick, but i just
don't see him as idm material and if my opinion means something to
someone else who will thus avoid it, i will feel like i've lived a
life with meaning and purpose.
---jsd
"Sanity is a one trick pony...you only get one trick: rational thinking...
but when you're good and crazy,the sky's the limit!!" - The Tick.