Philip Downey wrote:
quoted 2 lines those three CD's form the theoretical basis for IDM101!!!!>
> >those three CD's form the theoretical basis for IDM101!!!!quoted 9 lines I.D.M> >I.D.M
> >- has NO vocals (by this I mean lyrics throughout the track, Banco de Gaia
> >has
> >vocals, but those are samples, not vocals like Bono)
> >- is made entirely thru means of electronics, none of that rock geetar
> >shit. (That
> Here's where I start disagreeing. On my first read of this post, I didn't
> have any problems with it, but I do now.
> One of my top three records of last year was Scala - Beauty Nowhere.
Read it again, I said ROCK geetar shit. I don't care if an artist uses guitars.
System 7 is all about guitars and I consider Fire+Water to have IDM value. I was
refering to rock guitar style in IDM, like Chem Bros. I doubt Chem bros even use
Guitars(samples maybe) but the music sure sounds like rock . If you listen to
Amorphous Androgynous, you'll hear ton of guitar sounds, but it ain't ROCK.
Is that a little better? I'm sure you know what I mean.
quoted 3 lines Guitars, lyrics, distortion. It's also idm. Deal with it. Some the> Guitars, lyrics, distortion. It's also idm. Deal with it. Some the
> 'things' they do, (processing and sampling themselves-wise) still blow me
> away.
Well on the Scala thing, I am at a lost and will give you the benefit of the doubt.
But are the lyrics/Vocals anything like what Chem Bros did with that OASIS
guy? I sure hope not. You can have vocals/words in IDM (Dead Vent 7???) but
anything like what I just mentioned I would never consider IDM. Please don't say
it could be so or we'll Alanis take a stab at IDM.
music is on sounds more than booty shakeability.
quoted 6 lines - makes you think, not b/c it's got some political message, but b/c its> >- makes you think, not b/c it's got some political message, but b/c its
> >dependence
> >on repetition (loops) causes your mind to drift into deep thought
> I'm split on this one. I go for the head aspect completely. Some songs
> and albums have had poltical messages. Orbital's In Sides comes to mind.
> Autechre's Anti ep. The Criminal Justice Compilation.
What I was trying to say, maybe not clear enough, was that IDM causes you to
think b/c of it's repetitiveness of rhythms. By having that killer soundscape
groove your mind is free to wonder to other things. Yes, Orbital may intend
certain songs to have a political message, but hearing a certain synth sound is
less likely to make you think about politics than someone shouting "Sunday
Bloody Sunday." Regardless of an IDM track being political, I think the sounds
themselves cause your mind to drift into thought. That is the way I experience
it.
quoted 3 lines I think you're totally off base with the repetition stuff. I thought the> I think you're totally off base with the repetition stuff. I thought the
> point of idm was that it wasn't repeated and looped. If it was it would
> be house or trance.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's true, but this would be learned in the second course, my whole perogative
was to show that idm ain't rock. However you must admit, that there can be
plenty of repetetive sounding IDM tracks. Loops may be a bad choice of words,
but IDM is more repetive than other forms of music. It's sorta like jazz, the
drummer always keeps that ding-dinga-ding going and anything can be played
above that. I find the majority of IDM tracks to have something pretty constant
above everything else going on.
quoted 3 lines I tend to drift into deep thought during idm, but not because of the> I tend to drift into deep thought during idm, but not because of the
> repetition. I think it's more because the constant changes force me to
> pay exclusive attention to the music.
whatever works!
quoted 4 lines I think people can feel free to mention the above bands. Freedom of> >
> I think people can feel free to mention the above bands. Freedom of
> speech and all that. Of course we all have the freedom to them they are
> ABSOLUTELY wrong. Most importantly, you also have to tell them why.
I never said they couldn't. I only said (trying to be humourous) that we'd subject
them to 72 hours of DROP BASS 12"es! The guy who started the U2 thread just
didn't get it. U2 has absolutely nothing to with IDM, nothing. I never said
censor anyone. If someone is wrong they will know why, and then be forced to
listen to DROP BASS for a long time. Maybe then they'll become hard acid fans,
which is more interesting than whatever Bono is doing lately (imo).
...looking for the perfect beat,
gil
ps The Beattles have a lot more to with IDM than U2, anyone remember that
Fireman (something like that) that Paul McCartney released a few years ago?