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Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:19:08 +1030
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Re: (idm) Classes in IDM???
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gmv500 wrote:
quoted 4 lines first I think anyone who is on this list must be required to own Artificial> first I think anyone who is on this list must be required to own Artificial > Intelligence I+II, and Aphex's SAW I. > > those three CD's form the theoretical basis for IDM101!!!!
"Theoretical basis" is nice. It gives us a datum to work from but does not necessarily limit us. A good test with this U2 thread is how do you relate or show the link between POP and SAW1, say.
quoted 2 lines after studying the CD's mentioned above, I think that anyone with any> after studying the CD's mentioned above, I think that anyone with any > ammount of measureable INTELLIGENCE will realize the following....
(lists quite a few indicators / rules-of-thumb that work in general but in my opinion come AFTER the fact.) I've always liked the "language" model of music. That is, a track has a vocabulary, a grammar, a style and a message. I suspect that the grammar - the structural aspect of the music - is the parameter which is experimented with most by the "required listening" (RL) artists mentioned above. The next parameter on the hit list is probably the vocab - the sonic arsenal - knob twiddling, sampler fiddling etc. Style tends to affect both these parameters and is a very difficult parameter to define - we know that AFX's style evolved from SAW1 to RDJAlbum and that it differs from, say, Kenny Larkin, but how do you define it?? - very much an open question. Finally Message - what is the artist saying / alternatively, what is the listener hearing?. In rock'n'roll the lyrics form an important part of it - the backing adds the emotion. The RL examples above are abstract. Without lyrics we are given more freedom to draw our own conclusions and think. Okay, so the RL examples above demonstrate experimentation and very importantly _expression_ in Grammar, Vocab, Style and Message. Accordingly, the listener has lots to think about, lots to focus his/her intellect or intelligence on. If you analyse U2's latest album this way then what do you find? We see a shift in style and vocab towards those used in the IDM domain. But the expression is still very much through conventional song (albeit dance). Too few language dimensions are being manipulated to qualify as IDM (wrt the RL datum above). Just a first-cut, -- ____ ______ ____\ Q-Force mailto:qforce@graviton.levels.unisa.edu.au \_____ _____\ Visit http://graviton.levels.unisa.edu.au/~qforce/ \____