Re: (idm) Re: Autechre (was the fall of WARP (or not))
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Arjun wrote:
quoted 1 line I think you might be missing the point. IMHO, Autechre is one of the>I think you might be missing the point. IMHO, Autechre is one of the
few
quoted 1 line outfits who create sounds/noises/rhythms that are actually worthy of>outfits who create sounds/noises/rhythms that are actually worthy of
being
quoted 1 line looped.>looped.
I guess I'm missing the point, yes. But I think the point is moot in
the first place.
What's the point in layering loops? After hearing each loop once,
well, you can just recreate the entire piece in your head. It's just
addition/subtraction. If there is no progression over time other than
this layering thing, well, then I'd just as rather not waste time
sitting through the entire composition where it fundamentally exists
of a twenty second loop. Show me the twenty second loop and I'll make
infinite variations on it without ever considering any of these
variations to be 'music'.
quoted 3 lines Take the beginning of the first track off of Tri Repetae. That's>Take the beginning of the first track off of Tri Repetae. That's
>a completely original loop, which-to my ears-is not only incredibly
>interesting but really grooves.(There are people who would make an
entire
quoted 1 line track out of just such a loop and a few chords.) And when Autechre>track out of just such a loop and a few chords.) And when Autechre
lay on
quoted 2 lines that wicked second loop six bars later, it sounds like an electronic>that wicked second loop six bars later, it sounds like an electronic
>abstraction of those crazy distorted old Mike P. drum loops. On top
of
quoted 1 line this, they slowly build a melody/chord progression that I think>this, they slowly build a melody/chord progression that I think
*defines*
quoted 1 line "dark brooding atmosphere." And this is just one track.>"dark brooding atmosphere." And this is just one track.
What's so incredibly interesting about a loop?
It appears to me what Ae-fans enjoy the most about Ae-music is the
'feel-good' vibe to it. It's all very groovy and has lots of bass and
thick synth-textures. It literally feels good when the oscillations
hit your skull. But this is more of a biology topic.
Well, the construction of our ears and brains makes us enjoy some
sounds more than others. And you can use this in your music. But it is
not music in itself.
Luke Slater's "7th Plain" springs to mind.. It has a couple of very
well-executed tracks that illustrate the use of sound to make things
feel good, like icing on a cake.
quoted 1 line I assume you're exaggerating when you say 128, but Autechre is>I assume you're exaggerating when you say 128, but Autechre is
innovating
quoted 1 line in this respect as well. Listen to track 1 of the Garbage EP for>in this respect as well. Listen to track 1 of the Garbage EP for
stuff
quoted 1 line that'll confuse your tapping foot. At the end of track 2 of Key Nell,>that'll confuse your tapping foot. At the end of track 2 of Key Nell,
the
quoted 1 line strings are in one tempo, and the fucked-up cut-up voice rhythms are>strings are in one tempo, and the fucked-up cut-up voice rhythms are
in
quoted 1 line another. The last track on Key Nell has a chord progression that's 18>another. The last track on Key Nell has a chord progression that's 18
bars
quoted 1 line long instead of 8 or 16 like you would expect.>long instead of 8 or 16 like you would expect.
These are all arbitrary numbers. You don't get a 'song' by making a
chord progression that's 18 bars long. You make a chord progression
that's 18 bars long because the music demands it.
At least, ideally.
But the Ae-music is so superficial.. It does not, at any one time,
seem to demand anything. It's just feel-good thumps and moans and
groans.
quoted 1 line ...are we faulting them for getting better?>...are we faulting them for getting better?
I'm faulting them for calling music what is actually a computer
language.
IPascalHO.