On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Todd Roberts wrote:
quoted 1 line Not that I want to open the can of worms again but being the editor of URB,> Not that I want to open the can of worms again but being the editor of URB,
That's why you got on the list and started insulting Everyone, and
stereotyping everyone on the list. Because you did want to open a can of
worms.
quoted 1 line I couldn't very well just sit around and let Tamara take all the heat...> I couldn't very well just sit around and let Tamara take all the heat...
That's absolutely right! She has had SO MUCH heat, the one comment that
URB isn't very timely was just such a HARD blow. That gives you all the
reason in the world to come and insult and pick a fight. Good for you
sir, Very Professional!!!! Very Professional Indeed!
Seriously, it was stated that some of the other UK techno-related
periodicals are more up to date. I respect that URB is trying to do
something cool, I just wish that it was more informative (with newer
info). All that was stated other than the scantily-clad Latinas ladies,
was that the news wasn't current enough. That's not too hard to work on is
it sir.
quoted 3 lines As> As
> far as I'm concerned, and from what I've seen here on this list, you guys
> are for the most part, a pedantic bunch of train-spotting wankers --
NICE ONE MATE! You are definitely doing justice to potential buyers of
your product.
quoted 2 lines anxious to get info on the next shit but with little regard for quality or> anxious to get info on the next shit but with little regard for quality or
> musical perspective.
Why does anyone buy music magazines? To get info on new music or read
interviews about artist they like, or to read about "the next shit"
coming out. I don't think you can really say we have a little regard for
quality or musical perspective. I am on IDM because I want to talk with
people that have a regard for quality and musical perspective. I don't
hear people pushing shite music, talking about Planet Soul or other crap
bands. I see people talking about Squarepusher, Orbital, Atom Heart, Fax
Releases, Rephlex releases, etc. etc.
quoted 2 lines This list often takes a tone close to that of the UK press: If it's> This list often takes a tone close to that of the UK press: If it's
> new, then it must be good.
I know some of us on this list are DJs and DJs tend to want to play new
music. And lets face it a lot of it comes from Europe. Are you saying
that URB's Approach is that if it is OLD it must be good!
quoted 3 lines Bollocks. As this 'electronic dance' scene grows, there is a larger> Bollocks. As this 'electronic dance' scene grows, there is a larger
> audience to appeal to, much larger than a few subscribing to an
>internet mailing list.
Yeah, So what? I don't think the criticism was that you don't talk about
what we like. I think it was on TIMELINESS. But go ahead and vent your
frustrations, it will probably be good, your psycho-analyst will be glad.
quoted 4 lines What's really ironic is> What's really ironic is
> that this whole 'flame' started as a discussion of groups playing at
> Organic: Orbital, Orb, Underworld, Chemical Bros. etc. Definitely nothing
> new.
Well the show just happened! Alot of the artist did perform new material!
There are things to discuss, if we are interested in it. The Orb and
Chemical Brothers did play a lot of unreleased material, I think that is
worthy of discussing.
quoted 3 lines Those publications you speak so highly of from the UK are in fierce> Those publications you speak so highly of from the UK are in fierce
> competition with each other and consequently are aimed at provided the
> latest 'info' or gossip (in many cases) that they can get their hands on.
Competition is suppose to be a good thing for the consumer, right? I
think it puts pressure on organizations to constantly improve and put out
the best product they can. URB doesn't have that much competition does
it, in the States.
quoted 3 lines Besides, most of this music you guys gloat over originates in the UK, a> Besides, most of this music you guys gloat over originates in the UK, a
> place where the word 'trainspotting' doesn't always have the best
> connotation.
I agree that a good deal of what we talk about does originate in Europe.
But I do think we give a good deal of attention to domestic releases.
Astralwerks, Reflective, Asphodel, Electronic Music Foundation, Planet E,
and numerous other US labels are constantly mentioned, and with good cause
because they put out great music. If you want to call us trainspotters go
ahead, I don't really care. I think we just care alot about good
electronic music.
quoted 5 lines Though we are definitely enthusiasts of electronic music, it> Though we are definitely enthusiasts of electronic music, it
> is not our only focus.
> Relax, Tamara has only been on staff for just over 4
> months, before that I was the ONLY full-time editor. Tamara is dope and
> she's doing as much as she can to further the music.
No one criticised Tamara, I think the Only Criticism was about URB not
being current enough. Perhaps next time, you should read what was said
and include it to support your argument. That way readers can see both
viewpoints. I also believe you shouldn't take criticism so personally.
Listen to what they have to say, and comment on it in a logical
(non-emotional way). Especially, since you are the Editor. Perhaps you
should look into Total Quality Management approaches and try to find ways
of improving your product. There are also ways to improve, and that will
probably improve sales and market share.
quoted 5 lines Todd Roberts> Todd Roberts
> URB Magazine
>
> "Sometimes the trip is more important than the destination."
> troberts@webstorm.com