Peter Cevallos wrote:
quoted 11 lines On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, videla@ucsu.Colorado.EDU wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, videla@ucsu.Colorado.EDU wrote:
>
> > Do you not see that DJing, while being an artform, can be mastered by
> > virtually anybody. Neither I nor you will never master the likes of artists
> > like
> > Aphex, LFO. ORB, (fill in the blank). You and I will never be able to
> > imitate these amazing minds that go behind, what I feel is, the greatest
> > music in the world.
>
> I would never want to imitate anybody else.
My god what do you say to yourself in the morning? We should hook you up with one Stuart
Smalley.
Please dont ever sell yourself and especially not anyone else short. Ive heard personal
testimonials to the effects of each one of those groups you mention being so far gone
during their set that they had contemplated asking for their money back. They are just
people..not gods..good nights-bad nights..
Of course...you should never imitate anyone. Each one of them didn't..why do you think
anyone would?
> > I have some analogue pieces, but that doesn't mean I will ever be able to
quoted 3 lines do what these amazing minds do.
> > do what these amazing minds do.
>
> You never know...have a little faith in yourself Gil.
Are you kidding? Get them out! Play them for someone.
Could you imagine if Dr Patterson said that to himself 5 or 6 years ago? Ugggghhh!
quoted 3 lines However, if I own the same records and
> > However, if I own the same records and
> > had a few technical skills (scratching and beatmatching) do you not see
> > that I can sound like the same guy that spun last night?
No I dont think you ever could. You can drive a car..turn corners..but can you ever
drive like Mario Andretti? Of course not.
Not to mention...if you sounded exactly like guy who played last night, you wouldnt get
hired now would you.
quoted 9 lines The other thing
> > The other thing
> > that is wrong with putting these DJs on a pedestal is we lose sight of who
> > is making the music.
>
> I'd argue that the DJ *is* making music by weaving tracks, elements,
> beats and pieces of music together and creating a totally new different
> fabric. The DJ is going beyond what's there and creating something new.
> That's the difference between a DJ and somebody pressing play or putting
> the needle to the record.
This has been a huge arguement for many many years...is a dj an artist?
Those people who 'make' the music...are making it for the purpose of being heard on the
radio..parties..raves. Who has lost sight of who pressed the record? The dj never
does...and trust me he NEVER does, especially when they're paying $5-$20 for a track
he/she thinks might make you go off.
quoted 8 lines I went to a rave on New Years eve in LA. During the
> > I went to a rave on New Years eve in LA. During the
> > set of one DJ, the crowd next was going nuts to a Beaumont Hannant tune
> > from Basic Data Manipulation. . . An excellent track, that the DJ was
> > famous for playing. Everyone was talking about this guy as soon as his
> > set was done. What about Beaumont Hannant himself. He probaably worked
> > hours to compose this track (track #2 on basic data manipulation...).The DJ
> > only spent a few dollars buying the record and two seconds to put the
> > needle on the record.
Its a very large complex thing...dj plays track...person buys track cause he heard the dj
play it...other people buy it cause they heard you playing it...go to a party and hope a
dj plays it...and he does. Now are you saying he only likes the track and played it
because he knew you went to some record shop and bought it? Of course not...he respects
musicians prolly more than most, in fact he bought that track becuase HE/SHE liked it
first..not just because he thought people at a party mike like it.
quoted 5 lines I do not see why some of you IDM'ers who claim to love IDM are not
> > I do not see why some of you IDM'ers who claim to love IDM are not
> > sickened when DJs are becomming more famous than the artists whose
> > records they play. I mean, what the hell is KEOKI doing with three CDs
> > out. I have never heard him spin, I will admit that. But he has more CDs
> > out on the market than some of the artists we talk about on this group.
I can tell you dont know any dj's...you wouldnt say that if you did.
Why can't Keoki have three cd's out? You just sound jealous. DJ's have been putting out
mixed compilation cd's for years...it puts cash in his pocket..yes..but it also makes
people go out and buy the tracks individually from his cd's..which in turn..yes..supports
the orig musician.
quoted 2 lines Don't you see it as a form of exploitation. the Artists doing the work
> > Don't you see it as a form of exploitation. the Artists doing the work
> > for the DJ's.
I am a dj..I play music becuase I enjoy it...just as much or more than anyone else..I own
thousands of dollars of music equipment..because I enjoy listening to music..exploitation
are you kidding?
quoted 3 lines Would it have made a difference if
> > Would it have made a difference if
> > I put the needle on the Beaumont record rather than the other DJ. No, the
> > crowd would not have noticed a thing! They loved Beaumont's music.
And you hate that dj, because he played it. You see...he really did do his job.
Its his job to stir thoughts and emotions.
quoted 2 lines I am sorry, but there is a big mistake in giving a DJ status and not
> > I am sorry, but there is a big mistake in giving a DJ status and not
> > giving credit to the ARTISTS.
Well...you are doing a good enough job at it...if you are so adamant about this...do
something about it.
quoted 1 line Peter Cevallos
> Peter Cevallos
Me :)
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