On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, Greg Duchess of Earle wrote:
quoted 10 lines Julius Caesar Salad wrote:> Julius Caesar Salad wrote:
>
> > style or approach. An example I haven't seen mentioned much is that a
> > good portion of the early Aphex material (the noisy stuff) was a
> > derivation of the fairly obscure early 80's industrial group "Esplendor
> > Geometrico." Many who had never heard EG thought "Wow. this is something
> > wild and new" when it really wasn't.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that Richard never heard an Esplendor Geometrico tape
> in his life.
He may not have ever heard EG (who have released LP's and CD's too by the
way). I said "derivation" to get a reaction. :) At the same time I
wouldn't completely rule it out either (that he has heard EG). If he has
he might not admit it. The fact is some of his material (a good example
being the Mescalinium United remix 12") sounds almost exactly like
Esplendor Geomtrico. There are other examples of some EG type sounds
Richard uses but I'm too lazy to pull out the records a find them right
now. As I remember the drum programming on one of the Xylem Tube ep
tracks is *very* EG-sounding too. A good example some Aphex-sounding stuff
from Esplendor Geometrico being the "Noising in the Rain I-V" (5
tracks) that they contributed to the Bruitiste 2LP compilation on
RRRecords label. This has some very Aphex-sounding crunching rhythms and
was pre-Aphex. The first EG LP (untitled) released in 1982 also has
some elements of noise/sound later popularized by Richard in some of his
work. However, I'm not saying he *copied* EG, just that he's using
elements of sound they used as far back as 10 years ago.
quoted 3 lines I won't pretend to speak for all the members of Former Industrialists With A> I won't pretend to speak for all the members of Former Industrialists With A
> Clue[tm] haunting this list, but I have several EG tapes and I don't know
> what you're on about :-)
I don't have any of the EG tapes myself. I'm referring primarily to the EG
contribution to "Bruitiste" as well as material from their first LP. Their
tape material may sound nothing like anything Richard has ever done for
all I know.
quoted 2 lines Other than the fact that the early Aphex stuff is "Industrial sounding", I> Other than the fact that the early Aphex stuff is "Industrial sounding", I
> don't think it bears resemblance to Industrial forebears at all.
Hmmm. Well, what I was referring to was the *sound*! :) If you ever
get the chance listen to Bruitiste and listen to the Mescalinium United
Remixes and tell me what you think.
That's
quoted 2 lines exactly why I liked it so much - it was taking sonic elements that I greatly> exactly why I liked it so much - it was taking sonic elements that I greatly
> liked and pushed them into new frontiers/corners of the sonic palette.
I'm not saying he hasn't done this. I'm a pretty big fan, in fact I
listen to his work much more than I listen to EG. My main point in all
this is that not all of his music is as "original" or unique as many
people may think.
quoted 4 lines (I think it's more interesting to note how the old-timer Industrialists are> (I think it's more interesting to note how the old-timer Industrialists are
> now showing up on comps that are landing in the "Ambient"/"Trance" comps
> at Aron's in Hollywood. And yes, they have a separate Industrial/Experimental
> section, so it's not like they're wontonly misplaced.)
Yes, but this isn't an " 'industrial' vs. 'ambient/trance' which is
better?' " discussion at all which is the feeling I get from your comments.
I think it's just as interesting that "industrial" (for lack of a better
word) music has influenced "underground dance music." There's no doubt
about that. It can be heard very clearly from Aphex Twin to Autechre to
Locust.
Regards,
Tony