On Thu, 9 Feb 1995, Derek Oliver wrote:
quoted 2 lines Maybe this wis the (mis)terminology in the UK by some people,> > Maybe this wis the (mis)terminology in the UK by some people,
> this was used in Chicago as well
To refer to repetitive sample filled tracks? Hmm. That's strange.
Very interesting.
quoted 3 lines Yeah, I know, Newbuild (him and 808 state) is one of my favorites, why?> Yeah, I know, Newbuild (him and 808 state) is one of my favorites, why?
> because it is much more complicated and has many more layers than most or
> all of the shit from Chicago.
Check out Armando's stuff on Warehouse Records like World Unknown...
Very layered acid. Or Charles B - Lack Of Love.
quoted 3 lines "Acid house, if that is what you want to call it, has helped it branch> "Acid house, if that is what you want to call it, has helped it branch
> out. I don't know what acid house is though. They put my music into a
> category, and gave it a label." Todd Terry, Option magazine JULY/AUG 1989.
I remember a similar quote by Joey Beltram in respose to a question about
"Rave Music". He said something to the effect that the US tends distort
trends and styles that come from the UK (which it turn were distorted
from the US underground in this case). He called his stuff "Hard Core"
at the time because in '89-'90 it was. Today to us it's rather mild
though.
quoted 4 lines Anyway here is a couple big Todd Terry "acid house" records. Swan> Anyway here is a couple big Todd Terry "acid house" records. Swan
> Lake-In The Name of Love, and Royal House-Can you Party, which was
> incidently sampled ultra-heavily to become Dave Clarks Red 2, which was
> hailed by some as the top track of 1994. How about that for influence.
Oh yes. I agree those were VERY influential tracks, but mislabelled as
acid as Todd so put it himself. Remember acid was a Chicago underground
thing and Todd is a New York/Brooklyn producer/writer. He probably
hardly considered it house at the time. You can hear the hip-hop
influence emerge in his later tracks.
quoted 4 lines Hell I haven't heard the Trax version but Maurice this is Acid is the Acid> Hell I haven't heard the Trax version but Maurice this is Acid is the Acid
> equivalant of Two Unlimited in my as well as others opinions. The
> guy who made that track, Marice Joshua, has done some fairly underground
> shit, but that one was made for the charts.
AHA! Yes the UK release was on A&M and was remixed by David Morales or
someone like that, so it's not even true to the original intent. You
really should hunt down the Chicago Trax version. It's classic acid. I
remember having a conversation about this very topic with Maurice
himself. He went on some rediculous tour with a dance troup around the
US to promote his later group Mourice and Da Posse or something. I
guess he had signed with a major. Anyway I asked him what happened to
the acid bit in This is Acid and he said "Yeah, that's a big joke back in
Chicago because the popular version was remixed by some guy in the UK and
wasn't even an acid track..."
quoted 2 lines (Any song that says "This is> (Any song that says "This is
> Acid" or "This is Techno" just doesn't seem underground to me. Yeah,
You should take a listen to Creator by Phuture. All it practically is are
vocals saying Acid House, Acid House... over and over. Or what about
Acid Thunder by DJ Fast Eddie? There's a mix called the A-A-A-A-CID Mix
that's has a female vocal sample saying just that.
quoted 2 lines I have a lot of the old shit on Blue Chip as well, that was some> I have a lot of the old shit on Blue Chip as well, that was some
> cool shit, take the Smiley Peoples It makes me happy for instance.
Yep. That's a single from Acid Trance. Take a hard listen. That's no
303. It's a 101 or 202 for sure. A 101 most likely because the
portamento is not like a 202. Check out the credits. Do you have any
Bizarre Inc. stuff? They're the same blokes.
quoted 2 lines Cool, that is another reason that acid house did not just neccesarily> Cool, that is another reason that acid house did not just neccesarily
> refer to the 303.>
True, but the 303 lines in acid tracks did conjure up frenzied dance
floors...
quoted 1 line They sure did, listen to Bomb the Bass Into the Dragon lp> They sure did, listen to Bomb the Bass Into the Dragon lp
I will. It'll take me some time to dig it up though. It's in the piles
of records pretty deep. ;)
quoted 3 lines They> They
> also contributed loads to the hype surrounding acid house, regardless of
> whether this is good or bad, it made an impact on where we are today.
True they did add to the hype, but people eventually figured it out in
the end didn't they? We all know what acid is know don't we? Esp. with
303 prices shooting up above $700!
quoted 14 lines I know it is a generalization, but the opinion with a lot of people is> I know it is a generalization, but the opinion with a lot of people is
> that it has to be a 303 with an 808/909 to classify as acid
> exclusively. It was a shitty generalization, sorry. As far as getting
> out more and hearing the shit you mentioned, thank you but I have heard
> them. I like them as well.
>
> When I was speaking of acid house, I was speaking of underground
> electronic and sample based house music from 1987-1989, that was (wrongly?)
> classified
> as acid house at the time. I think are main argument lies in our
> definitions. I don't mean to come off as a name dropping know it all
> either, I just say it as i interpret it, and my opinions are not meant in
> any way to be viewed as personal attacks. I get off on these little
> discussions, thanks for the reply.
I like these discussions too. It always seems so confusing when
classifying and categorizing anything. People have so many different
ideas. I parallel this sort of stuff with art. There were groups of
people in the art world that emerged at specific times. Quite often they
formulated a manifesto of some sort... Anyway it is hard to ignore the
Chicago acid scene of '86-'88. There are enough records to define a
style. And it was dominated by the 303. I think most would agree that
the GPO/PTV emergence of acid whatever was a distortion of the original
concept. They were nothing like the Chicago acid.
-robert
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