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From: Chris Fahey <chrisf@raremedium.com>
To: 'Guai Lo' <jotai@mindspring.com>; 'IDM (E-mail)' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: (idm) Dude. Microsoft.
quoted 18 lines I'm>> I'm
>> guessing that there are a lot of fucking soul-less white
>> collar capitalists
>> on this list that couldn't care less that some broke ass
>> artist sold his soul to VW
>...
>> I expect witty, condescending responses from both you and
>> David Turgeon, so
>> here's a big Fuck You, in advance. Have a great day.
>
>(nothing witty in this response, by the way)
>
>So, in your universe only rich people and their trust fund kids get to be
>honest artists, writers, and musicians? And those of us who want to make a
>living and support ourselves and our families by working at a real job are
>sell outs? How fucking old are you? Don't you know anything about the real
>world where people (even artists) have jobs and have to struggle to even
>have the *time* to produce the kind of work they love?
I'm curious as to what it was that I said in my post that led you to believe
that "in my universe only rich people and trust fund kids get to be honest
artists, writers, and musicians". Are you trying to tell me that for a
struggling, working-man, IDM or Drum'n'bass artist, the only way to make
ends meet is to sell a song that you sweated over for months and made you
money and new fans in various clubs to fucking VW? I can think of other
ways to make ends meet. It's called a work ethic. I honestly don't have a
problem with a signed musician throwing something together for a TV
commerical that meets their personal standards for such a thing. The thing
that bothers me, is giving up rights to a released song that people
appreciated to a fucking car company (or dot-com, or anything else). I feel
betrayed when I hear a song like 'Little Fluffy Clouds' that I used to like
and brings back some fond personal memories, being used as a soundtrack to a
bunch of goddamn gasoline powered cars spinning around in some perverse spin
on human expression. I would never fucking let that happen if I was in a
position to stop it.
quoted 3 lines I work for a web design company and I am an artist. I have to work here>I work for a web design company and I am an artist. I have to work here
>because I need to make a living. I hate the fact that my job requires me to
>provide my talent and time to help shitheads I hate make money. But you
know
quoted 6 lines what? I don't have much fucking choice since being a full time artist is>what? I don't have much fucking choice since being a full time artist is
>hard for us people who don't have trust funds. So grow up and be thankful
>that at least a few people who work in the media business care enough to
>inject some artistic integrity and innovation into their jobs at all,
>otherwise you'd live in an empty soulless world full of Reader Digest
>Condensed Books and Ally McBeal.
Gee, thanks Mr. Media! I guess I should 'grow up and be thankful' that
instead of commercials I can ignore because they are so ludicrous, that
instead I'm pummelled with this insipid version of the very music-style that
I like the most with these fucking facist corporations branding people with
their 'hip, catchy' logos on every bass kick. You're right, man, Ally
McBeal blows... thank God she got cancelled and I get to watch that funny,
hip new Fox spin-off of the movie Go every week.
quoted 4 lines The fact that artists have to work in such unfulfilling jobs is indeed, as>The fact that artists have to work in such unfulfilling jobs is indeed, as
>you say, a tragic aspect of the capitalist system. I appreciate your
>idealism for supporting the underground arts, and indeed such support can
>only help artists avoid working in mainstream media jobs. But its a fact
of
quoted 2 lines life that such support doesn't exist and people like myself and Aphex Twin>life that such support doesn't exist and people like myself and Aphex Twin
>have to "sell out" sometimes to make ends meet.
If it's a fact a life due to the fact that nobody in this "scene" supports
live music, then I truly hope that people such as you will do what you can
to change that, instead of peddling your core thoughts and feelings as a
human being to sell a toaster oven.
quoted 4 lines I realize you mostly fault society for this, but you appear to fault the>I realize you mostly fault society for this, but you appear to fault the
>artists as well. You're a dickhead for insinuating that working for the man
>is indicative of some kind of character flaw in artists and for suggesting
>that they can't take pride in the work they do for the man.
Listen, I am strictly talking about music here. I said earlier in this
email that I wouldn't mind so much if a musician was contracted to do a song
for a TV commercial, and came up with something from scratch. I'm broke as
shit right now, and between jobs. If VW came up to me and asked me to come
up with a pounding techno track that was 30 seconds in length for a T.V.
commercial, I'd do it in a heartbeat. What I do object to is the saps that
are constantly asking for track I.D.s from these TV commercials, that don't
seem to have any problem with the fact that this style of music (IDM and
D'n'B) seems to be speeding towards 'electronic music generic enough that it
can be used to sell cars', or as I like to call it: "EMGETICBUTSC music".
As to whether artists should be held accountable for letting fans down by
selling out, I say Hell Yes. I realize that IDM isn't exactly
anti-establishment protest music in nature, but I find it hard to stomache
that all these years I've just been listening to "The Future of Commercial
Jingles". I kind of had other things in mind when I was seeking this stuff
out.
I hope someday
quoted 6 lines to manipulate my career to be able to do great work which happens to be>to manipulate my career to be able to do great work which happens to be
>funded by tons of money from the man, like Stanley Kubrick or Frank Gehry
>are able to do. I don't enjoy insulting you (especially since you've had
>such good posts about the absurd whiteness of this list), but for some
>inexplicable reason you picked a fight with me and you appear to need a
>stiff dose of 'news from the real world.'
Best of luck to you. I'd hardly place any movie makers in the context of
this conversation, though, unless Stanley Kubrick did some Downy commercials
back in the day that I wasn't aware of. I don't enjoy being insulted by
you, and thanks for a fairly civil response, I geniunely expected worse. I
don't really understand the whole "real world" thing, but if you are saying
that 'this is how the world is, deal with it', I guess I'd quote Jodie
Foster from Contact, "Funny, I always thought the world was what you make of
it."
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